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Is JVG Expiring Contract Hurting the ROX Future???

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by EGYPT, Jan 18, 2007.

  1. EGYPT

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    Here we are half way into the season, and no contract renual for JVG. Since the off season, the ROX have been in the WIN NOW ATTITUDE with a ll the roster moves and the players that are sniffing playing time.

    The coaching staff is only using the players that provide services on the defensive side of the court, but how about the rest?? Should they all be released? traded? or what? every game we play against top teams, we see an assortment of players that come in a have a great success against our team, why could't our bench have similar games? and why aren't they given the opportunity?

    We have been the best defensive team in the NBA for the last 3-4 seasons, but then what. The players are doing a great job learning the defense and are stopping teams from scoring, but why aren't they learning offense. I think the ROX are only signing players that can perform on the defensive side of the court, and the players are too focused and exhausted from spending most of the game handeling defense. We all know that defense wins championships, and we have outplayed the last 4 NBA champions defensively in their winning years without winning anything from that.

    Bonzi's situation with the ROX is just as bad, there is no boubt that he did not show up prepared to play, but we all have to agree that Bonzi is the 3rd best player in the ROX after TMAC and YAO, so why not work with him even if he is a little overweight and prepare him for the long season and possibly signing a long term with the ROX. Where is the staff that is willing to invest some time with this guy trying to get him excited playing for pennies (in NBA terms)? All NBA players have a big ego so do the coaches, who even decide what questions they want to be asked about their performance.

    It is obvious some times when a player is picked up by a General Manager vs. being picked up by the coach. Bonzi is not a JVG type of a guy so was Swift and both were treated like children and stopped from playing.

    I am not a coaching staff hatter but rather a huge ROX fan that is worrying about how our rookies that are only expecting to play in emergency situations and not to be prepared for the future and how they are shipped in and shipped out without really knowing their full capabilities in an NBA game just becasue we want to WIN NOW to save someone's job. I am also worried about how our next draft picks will be selected and treated.
     
  2. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Not yes...but HELL YES it is !!


    It is clear that the team is not committed to him and he is taking much larger risks with his players to try to get that new contract.

    He is wearing Tmac out...and not developing anyone...heck why should he develop anyone when he is probably gone after this year?

    I was wondering the other day which is better to get offensive players to play defense or to get defensive players and teach them offense?

    It seems the Mavs and Spurs get the offensive players and then they teach them defense.

    The Rockets do some of that...but we have too many defensive only players.

    DD
     
  3. durvasa

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    I agree. We should forget this "win"-attitude and just focus on developing our young talent like Novak and Spanoulis. Those guys are obviously going to be the cornerstones of the Rockets in the near future and they need experience now.

    We need to limit T-Mac to under 35 MPG and go to a 10-man rotation. That way, he'll be fresh for the stretch run so we can make a push to sneak into the playoffs. And if we don't make the playoffs, no problem. We'll get another late first round pick that we can build our team around next year.
     
  4. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    LOL - I don't agree with that !!

    I would develop some of the players .....at least get them some time...but not that much.

    I would limit Tmac though at least until the playoffs.....got to be smart about how you manage your assets.

    DD
     
  5. Little_Scott

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    V-Span and Novak will be "cornerstones" for this team in the near future? If anything, these guys will provide a role on the team. I can't envision them being the focal points of this team in any situation, unless it involves them dumping it down to Yao...Not to diminish the value of guys who know their role playing abilities, I just wholeheartedly disagree with the assertion that JVG is hurting the team by not committing to the development of two rookies. Especially considering we can beat top-tier teams without these guys, as we have displayed.
     
  6. SamFisher

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    Yes I agree 110% w/durvasa, as usual.


    ENOUGH with "win now".


    We need a WIN LATER coach like Tim Floyd, Stu Jackson, Rick Pitino, John Calipari, Jim O'Brien......
     
  7. Nick

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    One second we apparently have enough talent to compete with the big boys, and its all JVG's fault if we don't WIN... the next second, its all his fault for not developing 2nd round pick rookies and putting too much emphasis on winning now (which they are).
     
  8. A_3PO

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    Is it necessary to start 5-6 JVG threads after every loss? Is it so bad we lost fairly competitive games to the two best teams in the NBA? We win 9/10 and then these two losses are the end of the world?

    BTW, we definitely CANNOT all agree that Bonzi is our 3rd best player. That would be Shane.
     
  9. wnes

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    You do?

    durvasa recently admitted he was wrong about Juwan. I don't see you did.
     
  10. SamFisher

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    Fine, wnes. If it will make your day, I happily admit that I was wrong about Juwan, who has been reborn this season and reversed his downward trend, which I hope continues. I think I noted his new found hustle a few weeks back, IIRC. Search for it for more jollies.....
     
  11. Patience

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    Tank the season to develop an inknown commodity? Not Smart.

    You do realize that the Rockets are 10 games over .500 and in the 6th playoff seed, right? Why wouldn't they want to "win now?"

    (edit) Oops, after re-reading, I realized your post might have been sarcastic, apologies if so!
     
  12. SamFisher

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    Because great coaches who develop younger players like Isiah Thomas know that in order to win later you have to play younger players now.
     
  13. X-PAC

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    RIP sarcasm. :(

    EDIT - It's obvious to me that JVG is hurting this team by giving his starters, starter minutes. This franchise is doomed ad nauseum.
     
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  14. Rocket River

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    For JVG This is THE SEASON

    Either he is
    A. Larry Brown in Detroit . .. Getting over the hump
    or
    B. Doug Collins . . taking the bulls to the ECFs then moving around so a Dynasty could be built

    Rocket River
     
  15. VicVictory

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    What is all this crap about JVG not developing players? If you actually took time and looked at all the teams he has coached, he's never had any significant young talent that he could develop. Please, take a look at Knicks rosters and tell me who JVG didn't develop that could have been good to all-star type players.

    Just look at his Roster with the Rockets. The only drafts that JVG has been apart of when we drafted Malik, Head and Novak. I might be wrong, but aren't most players you develop are either from the draft, undrafted or 1-2 year players? Malik is trash, Head is turning out good and its too early to say about Novak. We also haven't been under the cap so we were not signing the best free agents we could. Basically that leaves us with Hayes, Head, Novak, V-Span and JL3 with players that JVG can help develop. He done a great job with the 2nd year players so far, Hayes, Head and JL3. JVG has given chances to both Novak and VSpan.

    To sum it up, saying JVG doesn't develop players is an incredibly weak argument. Besides the young guys, he had Steve Francis playing his best D, T-Mac is playing his best D in his career, and you can even say JVG helped mold YAO into the monster that he is today. Yeah, if you don't remember, Yao turned the corner with JVG as his coach. Don't deny that JVG didn't have anything to do with Yao progression.

    Honestly, I don't see how you get rid of the Best defensive coach this year and one of the best defense coaches in the NBA. The only guy I would be willing to give up JVG for is Rudy T. Other than that, there are no better coaches that are available.
     
  16. JuanValdez

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    I doubt JVG's contract situation is having much effect on how he coaches the team. The bigger effect would be that he is a competitive guy who wants to win every game. Perhaps he doesn't develop the rookies enough, but that isn't because he's worried about his job.
     
  17. OddsOn

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    NO.....but threads like this are ruining the BBS :confused:
     
  18. Sextuple Double

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    beat me to it
     
  19. SWTsig

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    :D

    good job.
     
  20. Roxer

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    HELL YES !!
     

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