yes he is... and ultimately, i think biggio is...biggio is the greatest 2B of his era..and with guys like Bill James writing about him, calling him the second greatest player of his generation, i think he'll get in. power numbers aren't necessary for a second baseman...what he did as a leadoff hitter in terms of doubles and stolen bases and runs scored is unreal. and he was a gold glover...and an all star at two positions....and he won the clemente award one year...he's a good guy, and that counts when the press is voting..i think he'll get in. and i'll clap and clap and clap and clap...and cry!!! my fave baseball player of all time...Craig Biggio!
damn...you're right!!! they're both second basemen...i grew up playing second base. if biggio had worn number 19, i would never have been able to tell the difference.
Biggio is a sure thing hall of fame inductee. He is the first guy to be an All-Star at both catcher and 2B. Not to mention the first guy to get 50 doubles and 50 stolen bases since Tris Speaker. Bagwell is not as clear. I think he'll get in but not on the first ballot. It would help his case were he to win a World Series.
i think that's right...bagwell's power numbers are just so good...his OPS numbers are fantastic. he's going in the hall of fame, i would say, before biggio. i'd like to see them go in together...that would be worth going to cooperstown to see!
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Ever heard of a guy named Robbie Alomar? Possibly the greatest 2nd baseman of all time? But u do have a valid point. He is probably one of the top 3 2nd basemen of his era.
Biggio's hall of fame case: 1. He has been below average the last three years. I doubt his performance will ever get back to where it was. 2. He has been 2nd to Roberto Alomar his whole career. Alomar will get in. However, the baseball hall of fame is very tough. It would be hard to get 2 second basemen from the same decade into the hall, although it can happen. Biggio will be known as the 2nd best second basemen of his era, making him an "iffy" choice for the Hall of Fame. I feel that he needs to have 1 more decent season. He has all the intangibles to get into the Hall. I just feel that if either Bags or Biggio have to go, Bagwell will be the one.
Sure does make me glad they don't vote on the hall just for 3 years out of a 15 year career. No offense, but are you smoking something we should all know about? If you look at the list of players in the hall I'm pretty sure you won't find that the list of inductees is by position. Biggio has done things that NO OTHER PLAYER HAS EVER DONE!!! Not to mention at least one offensive feat not accomplished since Tris Speaker in I believe 1918. Pretty impressive, but I suppose you think Alomar has done better. Sheesh.
I think Alomar has done better? Umm... Alomar destroys Biggio in almost every offensive category. Alomar is also a few years younger than Biggio. So, I dont suppose that Alomar is better. Its a widely known fact that Alomar is better. I love Biggio, but my love for him doesnt blind me from the truth. Also, on the defensive end, Alomar has won 10 gold gloves (the most ever by a second baseman) and Biggio has won 4. Alomar has been to the all-star game 12 times. Biggio has been there 7 times. Did I mention Alomar is about 3 years younger than Biggio? If you think Biggio is better than Alomar, then pass me what you are smoking.
Over the last 130 years, 16 2nd baseman have been inducted into the hall of fame. That comes out to about 1 every 8 years of play. Morgan and Carew were the last pair of 2nd basemen to get into the hall of fame having played in the same era. The years 1963-1985 covers their "era". Carew's numbers are far superior to Biggio's. Morgan's numbers are also better than Biggio's. If Biggio puts together 1 or 2 more good seasons, he may reach Morgan's statistical output. I never said Biggio wouldnt make it into the Hall of Fame. I said that if it was between Biggio and Bagwell, Bagwell gets the nod. Biggio's career is coming to a halt and he still needs to produce more offensively. Bagwell also needs to do some more work on the stat sheet, but he has 3-4 good years left at the least. I was simply arguing the fact that your comment is completely off the wall. The fact that you think Biggio is a sure thing and Bagwell's case is not as clear is absurd. The fact that Biggio got 50 SB and 50 doubles in a season is great, but in no way does it make him a hall of fame candidate. In fact, it is a rather small detail in the grand scheme of things. Biggio just reached 2000 hits last year. Roughly half the players that have over 2000 hits have made it into the hall of fame. You also stated that winning a World Series would help Bagwell. Post season statistics are not heavily weighed when players are inducted. The regular season is by far the most important aspect of the game. Many players get in with or without a World Series ring. Its not a big deal when it comes to the Hall of Fame. When was the last time Bonds played in a playoff game? It doesnt matter. If A-Rod never wins a World Series, will that matter? If a player needs a World Series to get into the Hall of Fame, then obviously he is not worthy. Players that get inducted do not need this "boost" because their numbers speak for themselves. The baseball hall of fame is THE most difficult hall of fame to get inducted into. Roberto Alomar's presence definitly makes the climb for Biggio more difficult, whether you are willing to accept that or not. Had Alomar not existed, Biggio would already have his invitation to the Hall of Fame in his hand. But, thats not the case. 1 or 2 more good seasons and it will be a sure thing. As of right now, I would say its 50-50 that he gets in. Bagwell, as of right now, is about 70-30 to get in, and he has 4 more solid years. This will give him a spot for sure.
