In the middle of peace talks they attempt to assasinate one of the Hamas leaders, and not in a covert manner, but with Gunships on a crowded street. Unbelievable I am beginning to think it is time to simply tell Israel to piss off, and see how their economy does without our support. We don't need them any more, now that we have permanent military basis in Iraq. It is one thing to assasinate a guy covertly with a sniper, but to use military helicopters in a crowded street...disgraceful. DD
Expect wave after wave of suicide bombings Israel -- They shot 7 missiles into a crowded street and failed to kill their target. WTF!
I'm beginning to think that NEITHER side really wants peace. Hamas doesn't because their leaders will lose power. Maybe the same could be said of Isreal.
great timing i don't know why we should be surprised...these idiots have been going at it like this for quite some time now.
Hamas is a terrorist organization. They deserve to die. Israel negotiates with the Palestinians, not with terrorists. Israel is pulling settlements as part of the first step of the plan.
i agree that there is a distinction...and that Hamas has CERTAINLY not come to the peace table...but the timing of this is all wrong.
I know what you're saying. But if I'm an Israeli, or even a Palestinian, I wouldn't want terrorists to be left roaming around ready to murder more women and children. Hamas leaders must be killed off for the peace plan to work.
Anyone who thinks Israel really wants peace is a moron. They have never show a real interest in achieving long term peace in that region. Hamas is definitely a disgrace to the cause of a separte Palestinian, but they are not the official government of its people. At least the Palestinian government seems sincere in obtaining peace. The same can't be said about those idiots on the Israeli side. Besides, why would Israel stop all this crap anyways? They know no matter what they do the US government just does not have enough guts to break off their relationship.
Where do you get your info from? It is well documented that Ehud Barak was a liberal leader of the Israelis who gave up a lot to achieve peace. Who was the Palestinian leader at the time? Terrorist Yasser Arafat, who helped launch the Intifida in response to Israel's negotiations. Now Ariel Sharon has stated a Palestinian state is what will achieve peace. So will the Palestinians do their part by killing terrorists? I don't even see what's so controversial. Israel targeted a terrorist here. Do you think it's a big loss for the Palestinians or something?
Neither have the Palestinians, my friend. If the Palestinians wanted a homeland so badly, why didn't they demand one from 1948-1967 when Jordan occupied the West Bank? Answer: They don't. All they want is the destruction of Israel, and that will never happen.
The truly sad note is that Hamas was cooperating with the Palestinian Authority to some degree and attacks were not happening against Israel. This is an Israeli tactic that I have seen over and over, when people are coming to the table, do something to incite violence then state that we cannot discuss the matters until the violence has ended. Its insane. I would think Bush would be livid based on the strides he had made with Abbas and the Palestinian groups. But the sad truth is that as long as there is violence, then Israel can continue to build settlements over the ashes of Palestinian homes.
but the irony is the front page of the chronicle this morning is reporting that the israelis are working on removing the settlements already.
someone who seeks to further a political or religious goal through actively targetting civilians. but here's the definition from dictionary.com for terrorism: The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.
There was a great documentary on HBO by Oliver Stone, who is Jewish, about the Palestinian conflict. In this documentary he interviewed many from Hamas and from other extremist groups and none of them proclaimed their goal was to destroy Israel. Their goal was to live without occupation. To live as free people and not as occupied people. A return to the 1967 borders would do that, but with Israel building its 'wall' it will never happen if its Israel's choice. And your 1948 to 1967 example is ironic if you think about it. First the Palestinians were thrown out of what is now Israel, and they fought to get their home back. Then in 1967 Isreal took more land in the war and now all they wish is not for what they originally had, just that they would be happy with the scraps from the 1967 war. But with more and more Israeli settlements being built, I don't know if they would be torn down. The truth is that Israel doesn't want to go back to the 1967 borders because they would have to dismantle settlements and they wish to keep them. There are still tax incentives and free housing available to those willing to live in the settlements. Does that sound as if they are willing to let them go?
Unfortunately, that definition is against us...As Patriots, as Indian fighters, in Southeast Asia and Mexico, we have done all of the above. To count the numbers of same in other countries we have armed, funded, and or trained would be an endless task. I agree with calling to task anyone who targets civilians. But that includes many of our actions....Wounded Knee, Hiroshima, Contras, Project Ajax, etc... And in terms of this one catchy phrase: The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons. I have 7 solemn words: "You're either with us or against us."
Most of what I have read shows they are removing outposts, not settlements. Outposts are like checkpoints in Palestinian areas, but I may be wrong. I hope i'm wrong!
This post really burns me up...You don't use Apache Helicopters and fire 7 missiles into a street full of people. Did they kill their target no, did they kill an 8 year old girl YES. Snipers work well and are much more accurate and discreet, and they don't enrage the entire middle east and most of the world by killing children with flaming shrapnel. Quote: Originally posted by MacBeth I have a question: Can some one give me a definition of a terrorist? Thanks. Someone who seeks to further a political or religious goal through actively targeting civilians. MadMax Israel is now officially a terrorist nation. We invade at noon.
