Is getting size and potential worth production? I hear DD coming.

Hayes + Head for Charlie V and call it a day.

 

I like it. Elson was one of my top free agent targets back in the offseason plus Charlie V would be a nice replacement for Scola and fit into the Adelman and he still can develop. I'm skeptical though, Scola's recent play has impressed me pleasantly.

However, this is a deal worth exploring, Morey I hope you're reading this.

 

leebigez, don't even try it.

Everyone here is just gonna tell you how much height and athleticism isn't important.

I wouldn't give up both Scola and Chuck for Charlie V., though. We'd lose too much on defense. I don't think Chuck is the type of player you ever trade. He works well with us and we probably value him more than any other team. There aren't many teams that feel they need a 6'6 "big".

 

wow, i really like this idea, i would hate to see scola go, and chuck as well because i think chuck's defensive skills and rebounding is underrated, but that's alotttt of size. doubt we'll make that big of a trade though, i only see minor things happening : /

 

I would do Fransisco Elson for Luther Head in a heartbeat, but I would have a hard time trading Scola. Hayes is valuable to the team as a situational stopper especially come playoff time. I do like the thinking though. I wonder if the Nets would entertain a Sean Williams for Luther Head and change?

 

We're not trading Scola or Landry because we can't afford to, maybe Head and some other players but not Scola....he's one crafty mother...

 

My main problem with this scenario. The above sounds as if Charlie typically is a good shooter, which he isn't. He's just doing worse than his normal bad for a PF shooting. And that's even considering he is more of a "shooting" PF.

Basically, Charlie V. is still just an average player at best. He shoots poorly, and a lot. He's attempted 17 FG's in 3 of their 7 games...and he's only averaging 22 mpg.

He is rebounding a lot better this year, and you can't teach 6'11, but Scola thus far is shooting better, scoring more and rebounding more, in just barely a few more minutes per game.

I know nothing about Charlie V.'s defense, but just going by his demeanor and his shot first ask questions later style, my guess would be he doesn't pride himself on the defensive end...heck, that'd be why Scott Skiles would be getting rid of him.

So I just don't see any real improvement from that trade, unless there are salary implications I'm aware of. I wonder how Miami feels about Haslem...he's always been a PF I thought would be great with Yao

 

Y'all overrated the hell out of Villanueva. Tim Thomas or Maurice Taylor can score in bunches as well while doing little else.

 

elson I want, and have intimated that for quite some time now. long, athletic, been on successful team before (spurs), and at least tries to play defense.

charlie v I could do without. he has a bad paint allergy and doesn't shoot well enough from the outside to offset his painted aversion. basically, he's flat in the front.

malick allen? meh. I guess.

 

I think we would have to do this deal if the Bucks were interested. I like Scola and Hayes but we have a midget frontcourt. We are also a relatively slow and unathletic team. If you are slow you better be big. Slow and short gets you nowhere.

We would get a 6'10, a 6'11 and a 7'0 player to address our serious need for frontcourt length.

Villanueva is athletic, versatile offensively and a solid rebounder.

Adding these 3 guys gives us multiple combinations to counter the Lakers with. You can put Yao and Elson out there to counter Bynum/Gasol.

Yao and Villanueva would be a nice counter if they had Bynum/Odom in the frontcourt.

Against Gasol/Odom, we could go with Elson and Villanueva and sit Yao.

Allen is a gritty player with legit size at 6'10 who has played under some good defensive coaches.

I think this would be a great deal for the Rockets.

 

leebigez,

Aside from this trade, which I would do, what do you think about Scola + Head for Bargnani, assuming the Raptors were interested?

Bargnani may not be the best finisher in the paint but he is a 7'er capable of playing alongside Yao. He is a strong shotblocker, good rebounder and very good shooter. I'm not sure how much he would help against the Lakers but I think he would be a terrific answer for the Jazz. He would nullify Okur for once.

I think he may also be able to do better against Gasol than any of our midget PFs.

 

i would be allright with trading just head or hayes straight up for elson, preferably hayes, i like elson´s game, i realize that he got confused a lot playing spurs defense but it seems to be a quite complicated defense system as many players fail to master it.

If we can go on a head for elson trade that would be awsome.

What i would love to do is to put a Alston-Mcgrady or Alston-Artest (or Brooks-TMac or Brooks-Artest if needed) and get a top tier PG, i think that´s it what this team lacks.

If Artest plus any scrub get us a player like devin harris i would be delighted.

Of course that if we do a Alson-Artest deal for a premier PG i would be very excited but i don´t see that happening.

I don´t think we need a all great pg but at least someone who can pass and score eventually, Alston is a PG that secures the ball and that´s it. I don´t see rafer gaining last years level sadly.

 

Sadly brooksball the raptors are very crowded at PF-C right now so i don´t see that happening, they are in much need of a SF so you would need to offer something on that category, artest, battier maybe... Some package including Battier and Barry may work but we are giving away 2 of our top 3 point shooters. Again i think it is more of a pg problem than anything else, T-Mac is so valuable for the rockets (when he wants to play) because we have no PG at all, Alston just carries the ball and brooks is more of a parker type of PG than a "natural" point.

 

Dont trade scola!

 

Obivously if you can do this trade you it. Hell, I'd trade Landry or Battier and a draft pick for Bargnani straight up. Bargnani is misused in Toronto, he's being asked to bang around inside when its obvious to everyone but Sam Mitchell that he should be used Dirk-style. Personally I think he'd fit under the Addleman offense since he can launch mid range jumpers all day long, giving Yao the space he needs to work his magic inside. Or maybe you can sell him to Nellie as Dirk 2.0 for Biedrins or Brendan Wright Now those guys would be perfect beside Yao

 

Yea, I heard that Colangelo is still bullish on Bargnani and I hear you about his inconsistency. At the same time, I think he would be a terrific answer for the Jazz frontcourt that kills us over and over again.

I also like his size and he has shown to be a good rebounder and shotblocker. He is also an incredible shooter for his size, similar to Dirk as you pointed out. I don't know much about his passing skills but he may do well playing in the high post under Adelman.

Basically, his size and his potential as well as his ability to play PF/C, i.e., with Yao or as his backup intrigues me. He is also a much better defensive player than I think the average fan realizes.

I guess his inconsistency and the fact that the Raptors don't seem to be interested in moving him make it a bad idea. He still has huge potential as far as I can see and could end up being a more complete player than Dirk given some of the early signs with his defense.

 

leeb,

hmm. you've convinced me on the scola + for charlie v, elson + trade.

BrooksBall,

in a heartbeat.

imo, landry has more upside than scola and can give us just as much, if not more, production this year. ultimately, we do need more length in the frontcourt and no amount of hustle will change that.

even though a ken doll has more balls than charlie v, the versatility he would give us intrigues me. he would back up carl, and when hot, stretch the defense. and it's not like scola's a lockdown defender. taller pfs shoot right over him. at least villanueva's a taller broomstick to launch over.