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Is Duncan trying to manipulate the officiating now?

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by Achilleus, Apr 19, 2007.

  1. Achilleus

    Achilleus Member

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    I'm fine with Crawford being suspended. The technical foul was stupid. But what is Duncan trying to get out of this? Why is he still talking about it? Get a "fair shake?" Give me a break... :rolleyes: Now every time he doesn't think he has committed a foul (which is every time), people are going to be wondering if the refs have a grudge against him. He is just fanning those flames...


    http://www.canada.com/topics/sports/story.html?id=7efc9435-6206-49d1-8598-73af0068b7e8&k=48517

    Tim Duncan hopes Spurs treated fairly after referee's suspension

    Elizabeth White
    Canadian Press

    Thursday, April 19, 2007

    SAN ANTONIO (AP) - San Antonio Spurs star Tim Duncan said he hopes he and his teammates "get a fair shake" from officials in the wake of NBA referee Joey Crawford's suspension.

    NBA commissioner David Stern suspended Crawford, who has worked more post-season games than any active ref, indefinitely on Tuesday for his conduct toward Duncan during a game Sunday. His suspension will last at least through the NBA final.

    "I didn't do anything to invoke the reaction that he gave to me and what he did, so I had nothing to do with that," Duncan said after practice Wednesday. "So hopefully they take that into consideration and we get a fair shake from everybody."

    Duncan's comments Wednesday were his first since Crawford's suspension.

    Crawford ejected Duncan from San Antonio's loss to Dallas on Sunday after calling a second technical foul on the Spurs star while he was laughing on the bench.

    "He looked at me and said, 'Do you want to fight? Do you want to fight?"' Duncan said after the incident. "If he wants to fight, we can fight. I don't have any problem with him, but we can do it if he wants to. I have no reason why in the middle of a game he would yell at me, 'Do you want to fight?"'

    Crawford was cited for "improper conduct" and "inappropriate comments made to Duncan during the game." Stern said Crawford's actions "failed to meet the standards of professionalism and game management we expect of NBA referees."

    "Especially in light of similar prior acts by this official, a significant suspension is warranted," Stern said in a statement. "Although Joey is consistently rated as one of our top referees, he must be held accountable for his actions on the floor, and we will have further discussions with him following the season to be sure he understands his responsibilities."

    Duncan said Wednesday that his part of the incident was "absolutely minimal."

    The NBA fined Duncan US$25,000 for verbal abuse of an official. Crawford said Duncan referred to him with an expletive.

    "I thought my reaction was mild for what happened," Duncan said. "But I understand why the fine was made."

    Asked if he was surprised at the length of Crawford's suspension, Duncan said he didn't know what to expect, but "I didn't know it was going to be that much."

    "They thought that's what fit the crime," he said.

    Duncan repeatedly stressed that he had nothing to do with the NBA's decision.

    "The whole thing is an unfortunate situation," he said. "I didn't want to be a part of it in the first place."

    © The Canadian Press 2007
     
  2. Achilleus

    Achilleus Member

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    Whoops. I have no idea how the hell this ended up here. I barely click on this section.

    Sorry.
     
  3. JuanValdez

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    I'll go ahead and respond in anticipation of this thread being moved to the right forum. Though you could have put it in the existing thread.

    Anyhow, I think Duncan's misplayed it. I think he likely hardens refs towards him by questioning their integrity. It would have been better politics to say, "I'm not worried. These refs are professionals and they wouldn't let their personal feelings interfere with how they call the game." The refs wouldn't feel like they've been dissed and even migh have some warm fuzzies toward Duncan for finally being classy and giving them some props.
     
  4. arno_ed

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    I think he was just anoyed and tried to show it by laughing. It is pretty similar to waht i do when i'm really unhappy with a ref.

    Also it is very funny when a opponent misses a free throw when you thought it was't fair that they got it.
     
  5. rdsgonzo13

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    He's moving up the charts to the #1 whiner in NBA history.

    The guy is just constantly consumed by crying to the refs or trying to maniuplate them.
     
  6. rock8ts

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    this is a good thing for the league, teams and refs. A wake up call to everyone for the coming playoffs.
     
  7. lunaticrocket

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    One effect could be that refs are going to call hard contact against big guys as fouls in the playoffs. Could actually help us with Yao. He is not a whiner as Duncan, but certainly gets fouled many times with no call.
     
  8. francis 4 prez

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    when i heard this all i could think is what a whiny douchebag comment it was. you already had everyone on your side in the incident, and now you come out and further play the victim and act like the referee world might be out to get you. just stfu and play at this point. try not to give them an excuse to make y'all not win the phoenix series.
     
  9. durvasa

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    I love it when fans tell athletes to just shut up and play. You guys realize that he's not just saying these things out of the blue, right? He's actually asked to comment on stuff by the reporters.
     
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    okay, stfu about the refs possibly screwing you and play. make a comment like JV suggested, not oh woe is me, i hope they don't screw us.
     
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    This article is getting funnier and funnier all the time.
     
  12. Precision340

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    I agree... I bet Manu is pretty upset with Tim right about now. Say bye-bye to all those flopping foul calls.
     
  13. Invisible Fan

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    He's saying that refs have a burning hate for Virgin Islanders.
     
  14. Dreamshake

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    Ok man we get it. Tim Duncan stole your woman, killed your dog, spit on your mother, and ran over your big wheel. Enough already man.
     
  15. rdsgonzo13

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    http://www.denverpost.com/ci_5698937?source=rss

    Did Duncan steal this guy's girl too?

    Did he run over Mark Stein's dog? Is that the reason Stein reported in his article about Crawford/Duncan that Duncan is universally considered one of the biggest whiners in the NBA in all NBA circles?

    Why dont you go ahead and say you think Duncan whines less than the average NBA player so we can officially boot you to the Riverwalk?

    I dare you to say it.

    The only people who think Duncan doesn't whine are Spurs fans and even most Spurs fans will readily admit they'd like to see him tone down the b****ing and moaning.

    The next call not to go Duncan's way where he doesnt give his patented "who me, are you nuts?" look will be the first.
     
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  16. peleincubus

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    well he is kind of right. most people that watch enough NBA see duncan probably complain a bit more then the average player (most players do whine from calls time to time)

    but you seemed to be kind of consumed by it.

    what duncan did was wrong and your probably right in saying in the other thread that the ref got tired of it. but duncan still didnt deserve what happened for laughing on the bench.

    so give the dude a break. there are a lot worse players in the nba then duncan artest/wallace/and others
     
  17. rdsgonzo13

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    I'd have no sympathy for Rasheed if this happened to him either.

    I just cant blame a ref for getting fed up with someone who cries like a baby 24/7 and reacting. If it were a playoff game with something actually on the line.

    I dont think Artest is a whiner. I think you're saying that Duncan isnt the "bad guy" that Artest is. I'm not saying Duncan's a bad guy at all, just a very very big whiner.

    I think it's very clear to most neutral NBA fans that Duncan doesnt just whine a bit more, but a LOT more than the average NBA player. He's easily amongst the tops in the league and I think it's ridiculous he's continuing to do it even after he helped get Crawford suspended indefinitely.

    What freakin more does he want? He's openly questioning the integrity of NBA refs and the league by implying they'll now have a personal vendetta against him by not giving his team a "fair shake". How much more of a whiner can you be? At least before he only whined after every call DURING the game.

    Now it extends to off days as well. It just never stops with this guy.

    What's the over/under on how many playoff games it takes before Duncan accuses a ref of blowing calls against SA just to get revenge on him for Crawford?
     
  18. Dreamshake

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    Well its a good thing the World, the NBA, and David Stern all disagree with your tired ramblings about Tim Duncan. Otherwise, we have Sh!theads like you officiating playoff games and T'ing up people for laughing because p@ssies like you think you can interpret a whisper on the bench as a conversation about the wonderful you, and laughing on the bench as showing up the game.


    Shewwww. Thank god.
     
  19. rdsgonzo13

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    The world doesn't disagree.

    Everyone with a double digit IQ and a functional set of eyes can see that Duncan whines like a little b****. Sports columnists around the world can see it, but apparently you cant read.

    Of course, I guess since your view is from inside Duncan's A$$, things look a little different.

    Tell tale sign you are losiing an argument? The basis for your argument is that David freakin Stern agrees with you.
     
  20. Invisible Fan

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    All stars whine or complain more often because they can get away with it. Any player who wants to win badly would use that advantage if they had it.
     

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