Rick Carlisle seems to be an awesome coach. He was the "puppet coach" the year the Pacers made it to the Finals and he made a huge difference in Detroit. Seeing as how he has accomplished so much already in his coaching career, is he worth pursuing even though he had some problems in Detroit with management? Is it worth having an @$$ as a coach as long as he is going to bring your team some wins?
nah, our players need some good experienced coaching. rick may be a great coach but not for us now. i mean cmon, every great coach started somewhere. they werent always old men. maybe in 20 years, therell be a huge bidding war for him like brown. we need to win now with someone who commands respect and someone who the players trust as a coach.
As stated before, I dont think Rick is the right fit for this team. And all signs point to him not being that cooperative with management either.... thats not a good thing.
We've only heard management's side. I have yet to hear Carlisle's. Maybe he is hard to get along with. I really don't care if the guy can help us play much better. The one thing that matters is wins and that's the only thing I can say is a fact. All the other stuff on him might be true, but it's not nearly as important.
I don't know if I particularly want him as our next head coach, but hey, how about giving the guy an interview?
and apparently everyone else within the franchise from the reports I've been hearing. I still voted that we should interview him because what he did with Detroit was simply incredible.
Yes. That really affected their play. After all, they hated their coach and their superstars carried them to the Eastern Conference FInals. You know those superstars: an outstanding rebounder, an above average mid range shooting guard, uh...................... uh..................... and uh......................
Most of the talk about Carlisle being "difficult" is after-the-fact spin from the Pistons front office. The unvarnished truth--that Detroit threw over Carlisle only when Brown became available--makes them look terrible, so they have to engineer this supposed falling out. But the truth is that, if Brown hadn't quit Philly, Rick Carlisle would still be the Pistons' coach. Ask yourself: When a successful coach has issues with upper management, who is usually to blame, the coach or the owners? (Think Billy Martin v Steinbrenner, or Jimmy Johnson v Jerry Jones). And how often does the team improve after getting rid of the successful "problem" coach?
laugh, if I remember this correctly Billy Martin was a brawling drunk and an embarassement to the Yankee tradition. I still hate the Yankees and Steinbrenner but this is a bad example. Billy had a lot of good points but he's not angel. Carlisle got no love from the Pacers either, for the same reasons. When he was an assistant the players and staff didn't like him much either, or so the story goes.
What does any of that have to do with what I posted? I merely clarified that we (the public) had not only heard management's side. He obviously is a good coach. He apparently just has problems with his people skills. Whether this would have eventually led to a worse record next year because of player revolt, etc. remains to be seen. Ediet: RIET - ease up.
Not just as a sports-team owner, but as a business-owner, I don't think Les Alexander would want to hire Carlisle knowing going in that he's an ass. It wasn't just that he was cold with his players and didn't kiss the owner's butt. He wouldn't cooperate with the folks in public relations or ticket sales. How can a team make money when a guy in a key position is obstructing everyone's efforts? Can you imagine the Be Part of Something Big campaign with Carlisle as the coach? Tim: Hey Rick, during the next home-stretch, we need Yao and Francis to shoot some commercials for the campaign. Rick: **** you, you little *****. They have to practice. Go **** yourself.
Who is everyone else? I don't think I've heard a direct quote from a single person. I haven't heard Chauncey Billups or Rip Hamilton or Ben Wallace say that Carlisle was horrible to work for, etc. Maybe it'd true, but I'm going to take what's been said with a grain of salt. The guy won and that's the key.
As I said, from the reports i've been hearing, from reporters who say they have heard about general staff complaining about his treatment of them. How he was gruff or even rude to them. They didn't name names, so I can't name names. I can say that I heard these statements on ESPN radio and TSN radio during interviews with insiders about the Detroit situation.
I'm not arguing that it shouldn't be cool with you. I'm arguing that it shouldn't be cool with Alexander. You're just a fan so you don't need to care about profitability -- only wins and losses. Alexander is a business owner so he needs to care about making money. Carlisle is not helpful in that regard.
Wins ------> Profitability Losses + Attempts at Marketing Hype --------> Less Profitability Would we have been more profitable this year if we had advanced deep into the playoffs? You bet. Would more wins have been good for the overall mood in the company and for team spirit? You bet. Would a less cordial coach who occasionally comes across as rude (which, by all we know, is only hearsay!) hurt the team in the long run? Maybe, maybe no . But...not more than 15 more wins would benefit the team. Case closed .
