This housing report says 'yes', seemingly by choice http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2005_04/006114.php HOUSING DISCRIMINATION....Via ACSBlog, I found that six days before the 37th anniversary of the passage of the Fair Housing Act, the National Fair Housing Alliance released its 2005 Fair Housing Trends Report. It provides some numerical context for a problem we all know exists, a problem that is a profound barrier to the success of so many Democratic social intiatives. I'm referring to residential segretation. Here are a few of the more stunning statistics: In 69 key urban areas more than two-thirds of Whites live in areas that have less than a 5% Black population. In these same communities, more than half of Blacks live in areas that are more than 50% African-American. 58% of the suburban neighborhoods surveyed were exclusively White as compared with 21% of urban neighborhoods. 41% of African-Americans live in hyper-segregated neighborhoods, meaning all-Black high density neighborhoods surrounded by other all-Black neighborhoods. Another 18% of African-Americans also live in conditions of high segregation. The average White person lives in a neighborhood that is 80% White and only 7% Black. The average Black person lives in a neighborhood that is only 33% White and as much as 51% Black. The National Fair Housing Alliance has an explicit agenda in publishing this report, so you can quibble with the statistics in comments, but there's no question that America remains starkly segregated. Because of this, our schools are racially segregated and disparately financed. Our neighborhoods are so segregated that Republicans had no trouble targetting Democratic precincts for voter intimidation last November. The NFHA report finds many reasons for this segregation, among them, the continued pervasiveness of housing discrimination. In their 2004 Fair Housing Trends Report, NFHA found that over 3.7 million complaints of housing discrimination based on race (so this doesn't include discrimination based on disability, gender or familial status) were filed in 2003. That's over 10,000 every day. While most of these complaints occured in the rental market, a significant number still occured in sales. This likely affects not only residential segregation, but the extreme home ownership gap as reported by the Economic Policy Institute in The State of Working America 2004-2005. However, home ownership rates vary considerably by income and race. Only 50.9% of those in the bottom quarter of the income distribution owned their homes in 2001, while 88% in the top quarter of the income distribution owned homes. Blacks and Hispanics, while slowly increasing home ownership rates, still lag behind whites. In 2003, 72.1%, 48.1%, and 46.7% of whites, blacks, and Hispanics, respectively, owned homes. There is a lot of room for improvement in home ownership rates for racial minorities and those at the bottom of the income distribution. Of course, the NFHA report notes that the funding for organizations who enforce the Fair Housing Act by bringing claims was cut by 20% in new budget. Regardless, suing under the FHA doesn't solve the actual problem. Inclusionary zoning is often suggested as a possible solution, and it's been tried with varying degrees of success in New Jersey, California and Massachusetts, although it certainly only does so much. I'm sure you all have many personal anecdotes about your own communities, and I wonder what people think can be done about residential segregation in America. I think legislative solutions (as opposed to judicial or non-governmental) would probably be most effective, but aside from zoning and passing anti-discrimination laws, I haven't heard of many options for local governments. Besides, since local governments are often as segregated as the communities who elect them, this has to involve some cooperation between communities, and if there's a disparity in wealth between them, it will be a hard sell to the constituents in the wealthier areas.
This has more to do with the money in your bank account than the color of your skin. There is no easy solution.
Britain is a segregated country... UK.yahoo UK cities could be at risk of long-term social problems if growing ethnic isolation is not addressed, a study has suggested. The research found that some British cities are now in the "major league" of segregation, ranking in the top 50 with American towns such as New York, Miami and riot-riven Los Angeles. Leicester, Bradford and Oldham were classified as "ghettos" by the researchers, with London and Bradford home to the most isolated ethnic communities. Pakistani and Bangladeshi groups Advertisement were found to be increasingly separated. Some 13.6% of the Indian community in Leicester live in "isolated enclaves" - 37th in the table of 276 US and UK cities - compared to 5.4% of LA's African Americans and 13.3% of blacks in New York, the research revealed. Bradford's Pakistani population was also in the top 50, with 13.2% in isolated enclaves, while 13.3% of American blacks lived similar lives in New York, and 15.8% and 15.4% of those in Miami and Chicago respectively. Researcher Dr Mike Poulsen, a senior lecturer in geography at Macquarie University in Sydney, Australia, presented his findings to the Royal Geographical Society's annual conference in London, after examining 16 major UK cities, including Slough, Wolverhampton, Coventry, Luton, Liverpool, Manchester and Leeds, and comparing data from the 1991 and 2001 census. The research predicts isolated ethnic enclaves will continue to increase in size over time, and Dr Poulsen said immigration was mainly behind the rise. "We are talking about increases of about 30% of the population in terms of each of the ethnic groups that moved into these mixed enclaves over the last decade. "The outcomes [are] the children living in some areas are just not going to assimilate as we would have expected, and that cannot be good. "The idea was that they would assimilate, it might take them longer, but ultimately they would assimilate.
Italy has severe segregation problems By the BBC's James Cove In the Italian Alps Plans for skiers and snowboarders to have separate areas on the mountain have been met with hostility by skiers and snowboarders alike. The proposal comes after a 36-year Italian man died this week in the Italian resort of Cortina d'Ampezzo after a high-speed collision with a snowboarder. Snowboarding has become increasingly popular The Italian sports ministry is now looking at plans to have separate areas, making helmets compulsory for children under 14 and also keeping children and adults apart on the slopes. Officials from the Sports Ministry and representatives from the Italian Alpine Regions are meeting to discuss safety and what can be done to reduce the sharp rise in the number of accidents. Accidents increase Last year there were 15% more accidents than the previous season and many involved people simply colliding with each other. In Italy people can be fined for skiing or boarding too fast and they can have their lift passes confiscated, but it rarely happens. One in five people on the slopes are now snowboarders and the sport has seen a rapid rise in popularity over the past decade. Adam Cherry: "It simply would not work" The plans for segregated areas have had a frosty reaction from skiers and snowboarders alike. "It simply would not work to have separate areas," Adam Cherry a British ski Instructor working in The Italian Alps told BBC News Online. "It is an over reaction to one incident, no-one would obey it and the rule would be unenforceable". When I went up a chairlift in the Italian resort of Pila in the Aosta Valley, a random selection of people all told me it would be absurd. Not one person agreed with the plan. But as if to prove the point that accidents are rising two skiers had a high-speed collision beneath the lift in front of us. Safety concerns Their skis came off and they slid about 20 meters in a tangled mess. They got up bruised but otherwise unhurt. Many resorts across the Alps are now addressing the whole area of safety on the piste. The French resort of Val D'Isere has instructed its ski patrollers to stop people who ski out of control. "People should not go too fast. Skiing and snowboarding are dangerous sports Vanessa Fisher, Ski Club of Great Britain It may be their freedom to ski or board how they want, but they ruin the freedom of others if they crash into them," says Odile Jacotot, one of the patrollers from Val D'Isere. Many resorts now put up barriers to slow people down at busy junctions and warn people to ski safely. There has also been a rise in the number of people wearing helmets for protection. "Skiing and snowboarding are dangerous sports but they need not be if people follow the rules," says Vanessa Fisher from The Ski Club of Great Britain. "It is very important the people go down the mountain in control and with consideration for others".
Lol. Did you post this as a joke? Or did you just not read the article? Anyways, yes, the UK does have a segregation problem and so does the US. It needs to be addressed. The problem stems from a large variety of factors including racism, classism, and American history. There really is no direct way to deal with the problem. I know many programs that try to force integration through mix schooling and affirmative action, but it's a long and arduous process. One example that comes to mind is of what happened to a couple of cities near where I live. It used to be a white neighborhood, but then other races started moving in. Instead of staying, many of the people in the neighborhood just moved out. It was almost a voluntary evacuation. Now the city is filled with mainly minorities. I'm not saying it's anybody's fault. I see races stick together all the time. It's just that there doesn't seem to be any solution that can be provided. It's impossible to force people to come together.
Why do some of these reports never mention Asians? We make more $$ than white people - does that mean white people (who are presumably in power) like us more than themselves? If someone is going to base a study along racial liines - they should include all significant minorities - even those that support their theories.
I suspect some housing segregation is purely by choice, people choosing to live among the culture they were raised in or are comfortable with. Social standing within one's community is very important to one's ego; social interaction is very important to one's percetion of the quality of life. Being new or different would complicate these issues. You can imagine what a ruckus it causes in my neighborhood when I sacrifice a chicken.
*sighs* you suck. I get called chink and chinaman quite a lot and I was f*ng born in this country. don't tell me that i want ot be white. Hell I root against the US if they're playing North Korea or Japan. I generally dislike white people. So segregation is bad (whether voluntary or not). Assmiliation or integration is bad because it's all about Asians wanting to be white. So - basically there is no solution and maybe the races were meant to live in different continents like God intended.
no i didn't say it was bad at all. i think its reality. i think black people are just BLACK given the history of our country. whereas i think asians have blended in. plus many asians who came here came from fairly affluent backgrounds. or at last fairly educated. they're society wasn't being systemically warped for the past 3-4 centuries like black folks in america. they weren't forbidden to get married. so i think thats why african americans and to a degree hispanics are afforded a special 'minority' status that the rest of us aren't. and rightfully so.
That's actually a misconception. It's used by conservatives as an example of fairness (with regards to race) in opportunity and salary to illustrate how 'fair' America is. The average HOUSEHOLD income of an Asian is higher than the average HOUSEHOLD income of a White person. However, the average HOUSEHOLD of an Asian family consists of more people than the average HOUSEHOLD of a White family, thus the results are skewed in favor of Asians (more people working per HOUSEHOLD). A better guage of income 'fairness' is the median salary. The median salary of a white person is higher, by far, than the median salary of an asian person.
I would like to see support for that, because everything I have ever seen indicates that certain minority groups (Jewish-Americans, Muslim-Americans, Asian-Americans, Arab-Americans, etc.) do in fact perform better economically speaking than White-Americans on average. If you have figures to support your claim, I would be very interested in seeing it. Thanks
I read it earlier on, but right now I can't find the source. I'm trying to look it up right now, but all the data is published by household. I'll get back to you when I find the info.
Here is an older article: article "Asians and Pacific Islanders as a group had the highest median household income in 1997 at $45,249," said Daniel Weinberg, chief of the Census Bureau's Housing and Household Economic Statistics Division. "However, this is the first time in six years that the income-per- household-member estimate of White households was higher than that of Asian and Pacific Islander households." The larger average size of Asian and Pacific Islander households (3.17 people) compared with White households (2.58 people) produced an income estimate of $18,569 per household member, lower than the $20,093 estimate for White households. The median household income of Asians and Pacific Islanders ($45,249) was highest, while White households had the second highest ($38,972), followed by African American households ($25,050). Households maintained by a person of Hispanic origin, who may be of any race, had a median income of $26,628.
Here is a website: link Summary: Asians nationally have the highest household incomes, but it is lower in urban areas with high poverty rates, and is due to larger households with more earners. Asian men earn less than White men, while Asian women earn slightly more nationally. Both sexes earn less than Whites when education is taken into account. Asians have lower per capita incomes than whites. In urban hi-poverty areas, it may as low or lower than African Americans, and most cities like Los Angeles, Seattle, and Boston have census tracts that meet the common definition of a ghetto with over 40% of families living under the poverty line, when none of these cities have White neighborhoods that meet this definition.. Blacks do lag, but they are closing. The gap is nonexistent at the bachelor degree level, even though skills probably lag whites, and skill differences explain most of the difference. The United States doesn't pay the most, but it's up there, and you can buy more with your money.
Also, when considering the incomes between Asians and Whites, remember that on average Asians have a higher level of education than Whites.
wanna see segregation . . . . Check out the Church's on Sunday Rocket River not the chicken restaurant
The figure I was able to get from the 2004 US Census have per capita income for non-Hispanic whites at 27494 and Asians at 25625. The vast majority of Asian immigrants make less than that figure - and I don't think there is data for US-born Asians, but I would guess that it is higher than the white average. Since Asian incomes have been growing at a faster rate than white - the 1997 data is a little old. What does this mean? That despite getting screwed by white liberals (who discriminate thru Affirmative Action) and white racists (who the aforementioned liberals claim to depress "minority" wages) - we do ok. Believe me, I don't like white people any more than the next person and firmly believe that Asians (especially men) face their own set of barriers. I just find it troubling that "progressive" studies rarely mention us. In fact, the only systematic racism comes from these "progressive" affirmative action programs.
Here's a study by stanford. Notice per capita Asians make less than whites on page 3. The rest deals with california, so read it at your own risk. link
Umm, ok! I noticed this is the second time you say this, surely you aren't lumping all 'white people' together, right? It's no different than saying that you hate all Black people or any other race.
