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Is America heading towards a more communal society?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by Honey Bear, May 20, 2012.

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  1. Honey Bear

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    If everybody could please take off their trucker hats and put on their thinking caps. Distance yourself from the noise and distractions around you and just be with me. In silence, in matrimony, in whatever. Focus.


    Populations exploding, with illiterates dominating the literates. Natural resources dwindling. Power shifting from the West to East. The middle class living in huge, empty houses with bills they can't afford to pay. A change is coming.


    And I'm asking for your opinion, on what that change could be in the near future. Will cars be replaced by public transport, especially in places like Texas? Will there be communal living area's and kitchens? I'm talking 1 kitchen that serves a neighborhood of 400-500 people. Will America go from a prideful, I need my space society to one that embraces bending a little to efficiently consume resources?
     
  2. VanityHalfBlack

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    I'm waiting for like more taco/food trucks on every street corner/ more pedestrian walking/ more transit lines/ theme parks... I wanna see this whole city turn into a giant flea market... Why does everything have to be indoors????
     
  3. Nero

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    No.

    The concept of utopia is a seductive one, but only to people with very few brain cells to rub together, as it is an infantile fantasy which has failed devastatingly in every instance it has ever been tried (on a large scale, do not bother bringing up the odd little commune success story, that kind of thing is not relevant to what you are talking about).

    Is communism what you WANT to happen?
     
  4. macalu

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    i doubt it. america places a high value on individualism and privacy. the only time neighbors and family get together is on holidays and special occasions.

    when i visited family in thailand, our dinner table was outside and neighbors who weren't even related to us came up to chat and eventually joined to eat. and the next day they would bring us food. can't see a communal (even on a small scale such as your street) kitchen working here.
     
  5. KingStevo10

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    Or you could just visit whatthefutureholds.com
     
  6. dharocks

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    So I guess, like, now we just have to start over and start rebuilding everything, like our houses and... But I was thinking maybe instead of houses, we could live in teepees, 'cause it's better in a lot of ways.
     
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  8. pmac

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    no, no, and no...

    Most people pay lip service to energy efficiency and conserving resources. Only a fraction of a percentage make any real sacrifice in changing their consumption rates unless it can be done cheaper and without a major adjustment in comfort.

    People won't change much unless it is cheaper, easier, or they have to (within the immediate future).
     
  9. Dairy Ashford

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    Local police departments, highway subsidies and real estate developers will keep that from happening. You can always build further out; create bigger, better roads for long commutes, and even move corporate HQs out to the suburbs to stay close to the professional workforce and remove the last draw middle-class whites have to the city. Local cops will contain and hassle any non-conforming minorities or poor people, most of whom stay in the city for work and social amenities anyways.
     
  10. Isabel

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    In some ways, yes, but it is in our own way that respects individual freedom. As for communal kitchens, in many ways the food outlets that can be seen lining every major street serve that purpose. A lot of us eat or pick up food there on a fairly regular basis from these places because it is more efficient, with our busy schedules and small households, than preparing our own food at every meal. Sure we get to decide when we use these outlets and purchase our food on an individual basis, but it's still a few people who spend all day cooking so the rest of us don't have to cook at all. This practice is a lot more common than it was decades ago. I have no problem with it because it is more efficient; also don't forget ready-to-reheat entrees from the grocery store deli or frozen section which are almost the same thing.

    Living areas are less communal, due to the way our buildings are built and that most of us were raised to expect some degree of personal space, but there are exceptions. With the economy and more people living in their parents' houses, you start to see bigger households.

    Transportation... depends on where you are. Many of us in the smaller cities or rural areas would not be efficiently served by mass transit. We find it irritating when people try to push that lifestyle on everyone, or tell us that we shouldn't mind higher gas prices; sometimes in order to work (often multiple jobs in different directions) we need to drive a long way, and it does directly affect us. Even in a lot of the bigger metropolitan areas, at least in Texas, it seems more efficient most of the time to drive your own vehicle. Time is a cost also, and unless there are frequent bus/train trips that work with your schedule, it may become an issue. Even when the mass transit works well for work commutes, etc., people will probably want to keep a vehicle of their own for errands and trips out of town.
     
  11. 713

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    I wanna live in a world like how they live in Westeros. Dragons, imps, white walkers. yeah a place like Westeros.
     
  12. Dairy Ashford

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    Yeah, I feel you dawg. Hahaha, Westeros; that's messed up!

    You aight, man.
     
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    even if we fall off a bit we will still be prideful since we will always own you iRonny. it might irk us to lower to your standards since we are not as used to 2nd rate as you in your country.

    but just remember, we adapt and are not a bunch of no working p*****s. that's the difference.work harder or work smarter, and keep sending all your worlds best talent.

    NEXT
     
  14. Honey Bear

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    Not sure where utopia and communism came from. Maybe you watch the sci fi channel too much?
     
  15. Honey Bear

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    America is a fairly young nation which was built on a wealth of space, resources and isolation from global issues. Now, with the entire middle class workload shifting to the East and increasing competition for skilled labor from 2nd adn 3rd generation immigrants, the good ol American values, as we know them, may struggle to stand the test of time.

    The brutal truth is they may not have the option of retaining that individualism and privacy. Atleast, from a resources standpoint. No one is saying you can't have your own opinion and personality, but the need to tone down the inefficient use of resources is only going to get bigger. And this requires people bending from what they thought they knew, and adapting to new philosophies. Would you have thought the concept of IPads and data plans was very American 20 years back?

    Right now the US is a private utorrent site with a lot of downloading and not much uploading. That ratio will have to be balanced sooner or later.
     
  16. Honey Bear

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    Relax Mohammed, no one was talking about Lebanon. This thread is more about Western nations that run high on consumption, like the US.
     
  17. Honey Bear

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    The thing with food, Isabel, is that we should eat to live. Not live to eat. It shouldn't be the highlight of your day, nor should there be 6,000 specialties of mexican food on every other road. There can be 1 communal kitchen serving fresh Mexican food per every x square miles.

    If you take the amount of food a block of restaurants throw away every week, you could give everyone in the city a free day of food (http://www.culinate.com/articles/features/wasted_food). And the sanitation + hormone + pesticide + preservative issue of the food transported to most places is another story altogether. A communal kitchen prepares fresh food every day and people can come and go as they like. The mindset of this nation needs to shift it's energy to focusing more on enjoying life, working and loving the people around them. That is what a sophisticated, human society is about. Not scarfing down huge burrito's, ****ting and farting all day in some obscure cubicle, and snacking incessantly between meals.

    This breaks the natural way of the body down.

    Naturally having your own car is the only way in Texas, but what if the infrastructure changed and there were more sources of public transport? It's a disadvantage to have your own car and pay for parking fees in a city like New York or Chicago. But with free flowing sources of public transport leading you to all the work/amenities you need, no one gives a damn and you spend less time isolated from the vibrations of the world around you.

    Go home tonight Isabel. Don't waste your life driving. Hug your children. Make love to your husband like your life depends on it. And don't worry about anything else.

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  18. Nero

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    Hello. Anybody there?


    Translation: 'bending a little' - not by choice of course, but by force = communist utopia. Remember, it always starts out small, 'bending A LITTLE', but pretty soon, you turn around and everything is gone.

    Four legs good, two legs BETTER.


    The history of humanity clearly shows that people will NEVER accept being FORCED to live in such a way.

    Some people do like the idea, and the really really nice thing about NOT living in a communist nation is that the freedom we have actually allows those few people who want to live in a commune to do exactly that IF THEY WANT TO.

    If you want to live in a commune, share living quarters with a couple hundred of your best buds, and give up all notions of privacy, private property, and the notion of being able to get ahead and be successful, then by all means, do it. You have that right. Your have that right exactly BECAUSE this country is NOT a 'communal' society.
     
  19. Nero

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    Wow.

    And who exactly gets to decide all these new rules, eh?

    Because see, if you put things like that up to a VOTE, which is what happens in, you know, a FREE society, then it is extremely likely that the people would NOT vote for all your 'shoulds', and would in fact laugh such silly notions all the way to the nearest ocean.

    So, in order to make it happen, I guess we can't any longer be ALLOWED the freedom to CHOOSE - it's for our own good after all, because well, someone said so.

    But hey, you know what, it's ok. You're young, you're idealistic, you have such a clarity of vision of just how broken this society is, and if only everything would just CHANGE, then things would be different.

    Hang on to that youthful idealism for as long as you can, because eventually the real world will intrude and turn you cynical.

    Seriously, go join a commune if you feel that strongly about it. More power to you.

    But don't ever think it is in any way realistic to expect that everyone will just 'go along' with such foreign and unattractive changes. Not gonna happen.
     
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    "We must turn to Europe for answers"

    part 38790342794
     

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