Iraqi Weekly: Saddam Ordered Training of Al-Qa'ida Members

Nah,

Can't be....no WMD, and no ties to Al -Quida....that would ruin the entire smear campaign on Bush....

DD

 

Sounds like your average Republican's ramblings on Clinton from 1992 to present day. Don't act like this is something that is unique to the Democrats. The only difference is when liberals criticize Bush and/or his policies, you're labeled un-American.

 

You must not have read the board during the months leading up to the war in Iraq.

And yeah, the Dixie Chicks or any other celebrity that was against the war weren't labeled unpatriotic at all.

 

There's so much to wade through, but I can assure you it was done. Maybe when I have more time.

Are you denying that the Dixie Chicks and other celebrities were labeled unpatriotic by some of those who supported the war?

 

I only need one name: Ann Coulter.

Ann Coulter, who calls liberals unpatriotic, says, “..no one is allowed to call liberals unpatriotic.” In that same paragraph: “Liberals relentlessly attack their own country, but we can’t call them traitors, which they manifestly are..”

"I think it's time to drop the infernal nonsense about liberals being well-intentioned but misguided," she wrote in a 2002 column. "I will say that there is only one thing wrong with liberals: They're no good."



"Liberalism And Terrorism: Different Stages Of Same Disease." Yes, this is the real title of an Ann Coulter essay of a few days ago (July 3, 2002).

"Liberals become indignant when you question their patriotism, but simultaneously work overtime to give terroristsa cushion for the next attack and laugh at dumb Americans who love their country and hate the enemy."

"The New York Times ran a Tom Tomorrow cartoon sneering about Americans who believe with 'unwavering faithin an invisible omniscient deity who favors those born in the middleof the North American land mass.' This is how liberals conceive of America: an undifferentiated land mass in the middle of North America."



I could go on with Ann quotes for days, but you get the point.

 

One more, then I'm out for today...

W A S H I N G T O N, April 20 — Most Americans who've opposed the war are anonymous faces in the crowd, and their protests haven't cost them all that much.

But for famous faces like actor Martin Sheen, freedom of speech could be costly to his career. And he says it ought to be.

"You have to pay something," he said. "It has to cost you something, otherwise you have to question what it's worth.

He and other anti-war celebrities, including Tim Robbins and Susan Sarandon, have been labeled "unpatriotic," or "un-American."

The Dixie Chicks, for example, won several Grammys this year, but their criticism of President Bush still has radio listeners calling for stations to quit playing their music, and many stations have.

Columnist Richard Johnson of the New York Post headlined more than a dozen entertainers as "Saddam Lovers" and urged readers to boycott their work.

A Florida appearance for Sarandon was canceled, as was a celebration of her and her partner Robbins' film Bull Durham at the Baseball Hall of Fame. The president of the museum, who worked in the Reagan White House, decided their views might endanger American troops. He did not explain how.

"A chill wind is blowing in this nation," Robbins said.

In Washington, Robbins criticized the political climate in which his right to express his views has come under attack.

"Isn't it what we were fighting for there ... to spread democracy, to give the Iraqis the right to express their opinions in a public forum?"

All this reminded some of the McCarthy era's blacklist that barred those even accused of communist sympathies from working in films or on television.

Actor Mike Farrell believes it could happen again.

"We know there have been organized attempts to get people fired from their jobs," Farrell said.

For showbiz people, it's no idle concern, says historian Steven Ross.

"Movie stars who get bad publicity, who are thought to be unpatriotic, are going to be perceived as box office poison," he said.

The bad publicity is a fact. How the public responds at the box office remains to be seen. link

 

So GWB drove Saddam to make a deal with al Qaeda (if this report is correct). The anti-war crowd were saying this the entire time. Thanks basso!!!

 

Where did I ever refer to an elected Republican calling Americans unpatriotic? Of course, one could argue that "You're either with us or against us" certainly implies that.

 

Pardon?

...details on the training of Al-Qa'ida members operating under the orders of Saddam's Presidential Palace two months before the September 11 attacks..

?

 

You, sir, sound like any random Republican who worshiped Joe McCarthy back in the early '50's... transported to the present day... which looks increasingly like the early '50's under this Administration.

Which is compelling about this source that gives it any crediblity? Why should we automatically believe that what was published from "The independent Iraqi weekly Al-Yawm Al-Aakher" should be believed? Is there any verification of this report? Any other sources? Anything that should cause us to not question it's validity?

If there is, I would like to see it. Nothing would please me more than to show a irrefutable link between Saddam and Al Qaeda. Then this Administration could justify the war on Iraq after the fact. That would be a balm to the nation, which is realizing that the war was sold to it on false premises.

 

So, basso, if you could take any lesson from this thread at this point, what would it be? (I can hear the angry reply being typed even now).

What I would hope becomes obvious is the following: you posted what (IMO) looks like an interesting piece, for the sake of argument. Then you let yourself take a truly nasty pot-shot at those who sometimes disagree with you, and WHOOPS. There goes your thread. You said liberals were akin to OBL, and, (to your surprise?), liberals came back at you.

 

MacBeth, considering your repeated rants about Bush's lies, I believe this is an appropriate thread in which to

DEFEND YOURSELF

 

The grasping-at-straws Blair and Bush would kiss the accuser's feet to have him come out and testify against Saddam. So far it is not happening. Or is it?