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Iraqi leaders oppose Biden's plan: "Could be a disaster"

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  1. Faos

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    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122092005533912759.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

    Iraqi Leaders Opposed Biden's Partition Plan

    By DAN SENOR
    September 9, 2008; Page A23

    On Sunday's "Meet the Press," Sen. Joseph Biden made a series of stunning arguments in defense of his plan for segregation of Iraq along ethnic and sectarian lines. When Mr. Biden first announced his partition plan in May 2006, Iraqi leaders and U.S. officials understood it to mean the establishment of strong Sunni, Shiite and Kurdish regional administrations. The Biden plan would have also begun a phased redeployment of U.S. troops in 2006 and withdrawn most of them by the end of 2007.

    Despite deep resistance from the Iraqi government, Mr. Biden tried to turn his plan into U.S. policy, introducing a nonbinding Senate resolution that called for its implementation. But his effort completely backfired in Baghdad. The proposal ended up unifying all the disparate Iraqi factions in opposition.

    Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, who called on the Iraqi parliament to meet and formally reject the Biden plan, immediately went on Iraqi television with a blistering statement: "[Biden] should stand by Iraq to solidify its unity and its sovereignty . . . [He] shouldn't be proposing its division. That could be a disaster not just for Iraq but for the region."

    On "Meet the Press" Mr. Biden dismissed Mr. Maliki's objections because the Iraqi prime minister's "popularity is very much in question." Based on what? Most independent analysts who have recently traveled to Iraq point to his heightened popularity as a result of the stabilization of Anbar province, the decimation of al Qaeda in Iraq, and his decision to successfully confront Moqtada al-Sadr and his Mahdi Army in Basra.

    The notion that a number of other Iraqi leaders supported the Biden plan is not correct either. Actually, it was just the opposite.

    Abdul Mahdi al-Karbala'i, the representative of Iraq's most senior Shiite cleric Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani, called the Senate resolution "a step toward the breakup of Iraq. It is a mistake to imagine that such a plan will lead to a reduction in chaos in Iraq; rather, on the contrary, it will lead to an increase in the butchery and a deepening of the crisis of this country, and the spreading of increased chaos, even to neighboring states."

    The Sunni Association of Muslim Scholars also denounced the plan. "This is a dangerous partitioning based on sectarianism and ethnicity," said Hashim Taie, a member of the Iraqi Accordance Front, the largest Sunni party in the parliament.

    Qays al-Atwani, the moderator of the popular "Talk of the Hour" television show, interviewed Iraqi Shiites and Sunnis about the Biden resolution. He concluded: "For the first time in Iraq, all political blocs, decision makers and religious authorities agree on rejecting the [Biden] resolution that contradicts the will of the Iraqi people." The Senate resolution even managed to provoke radical Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr's political supporters to momentarily join their rivals -- all in opposition to the Biden plan.

    Secular Sunni parliamentarian Mithal al-Alusi held a news conference in Baghdad to call on the Iraqi government to formally declare Mr. Biden "a persona non grata" in Iraq. As for Iraq's neighbors, The Gulf Cooperation Council and the Arab League both denounced the Biden resolution.

    The uproar was unsurprising, as partition would have involved expelling Iraqis from their homes. How would a partition work, for example, in major cities like Kirkuk, which is majority Kurdish but also has a large Sunni population, and substantial Christian and Turkomen populations? The likely outcome would have been forced relocation. This could have sparked a wave of renewed sectarian violence, if not civil war.

    On Sunday, when Mr. Biden was asked about the current progress in Iraq, he managed to take the lion's share of the credit: "I'm encouraged because they're doing the things I suggested . . . That's why it is moving toward some mild possibility of a resolution." But we should be grateful that Iraqis did not do as he suggested. Mr. Biden's frustration with the looming Iraqi civil war in 2006 and early 2007 was understandable. The U.S. was on the verge of total defeat and Iraq was at risk of collapse. But Mr. Biden's plan would have inflamed Iraq's already volatile situation.

    Mr. Senor is an adjunct senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations and a founder of Rosemont Capital. He served as a senior adviser to the Coalition in Iraq and was based in Baghdad in 2003 and 2004.
     
  2. Nero

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    Silly person!

    Don't you know that actual results don't matter - only being able to say you had ideas, you had a plan, you took a stand - that's all that really matters.

    Bringing up what actually happened is really just another lame swift-boat tactic by the magnificently malicious republican right-wing propaganda smear machine.
     
  3. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Awww...poor Iraqis being asked to stand up and do it themselves.

    Got to sink or swim sometime.

    Let them set their own plan then.

    DD
     
  4. SWTsig

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    see, here's the problem with Iraq.... there is no solution. nothing we can do will completely stop the sectarian violence, save for propping up another secular dictator with complete control. logistically, dividing iraq would be a nightmare even though i think the intentions are good. you just set yourself up for another israel situation, only this time with the added hurdle of divvying oil reserves.

    i actually agree with biden in theory, but there is no way of successfully pulling that off.
     
  5. JuanValdez

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    The article seems unfair. They are talking about a plan he proposed in 2006, before the Surge, in a near all-out civil war. I remember, at that time, I wanted a partition of Iraq too because it seemed like the best way to have governance that worked. Now, after the Surge, things are looking up and we can hope for a successful united Iraq.

    I didn't see Biden on Meet the Press. The article insinuates that he still supports a partition of Iraq, but offers no evidence. Did Biden say anything of the sort?
     
  6. DonnyMost

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    That looks like the GWB gameplan to me..

    But anyway, I welcome intense criticism and scrutiny of Obama and Biden's plans in the whitehouse, it can only serve to make them more adept at handling these problems the best way possible.

    Has anyone proposed a plan yet that no one thought "could be a disaster"?
     
  7. Nero

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    When are they scheduled to visit? :D
     
  8. Rocketman95

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    I think they get to oversee the decorations before the inauguration, but definitely sometime in mid-January. :D
     
  9. AXG

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    What? You value talk over results? You sound like a Obama supporter.
     
  10. Dubious

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    Really? How much worse could it have been than what has actually occurred.
    Which course of history would have had the more stable and equitable result?

    You won't ever know but looking back on an alternative not taken after the expenditure of hundreds of billions of dollars and untold thousands of lives is pure hypothetical masturbation.

    I was for partition back then, but now I see the value in having integrated neighborhoods. That way you will always have a snitch.
     
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  11. Faos

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    But here in the states Obama's government will do it all for us so the poor Americans won't have to do it themselves, right?
     

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