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Iraqi "Inofrmant" Admits Recent NY Subway Plot was a Hoax.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by glynch, Oct 11, 2005.

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  1. glynch

    glynch Member

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    OOPS!! Now one has to wonder if he was forced to say this so the Bushees could save face or was it really just so convenient for the Bushees on their latest pr offensive on Iraq that they could not resist.

    Wow. Maybe this is the real Al Qaeda plot to weaken America by makingus go broke responding to fake bomb threats.
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    WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Information that led to heightened security for the New York City transit system was a hoax, government sources said Tuesday.

    The sources said an informant in Iraq who provided the tip had told investigators there was a terrorist plot involving New York's subway system. That informant admitted he gave false information, the sources said.

    On Monday, New York police said they would reduce the increased security measures put in place last week on the city's subways.

    Law enforcement sources said last week the person who passed along the New York tip also gave information that prompted a military operation in Iraq, which led to the arrests of three al Qaeda suspects in Musayyib, about 45 miles south of Baghdad.

    Government sources said the three men arrested in Iraq with suspected links to the possible plot had been interviewed and underwent lie detector tests showing they knew nothing about such a plan.

    New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg warned Thursday that the city had received information from the FBI about a "specific threat," prompting the heightened subway security.

    The threat mentioned Friday and Sunday as possible days that an attack might occur, according to one official with knowledge of the investigation.

    Friday came three months to the day after four bombers carried out attacks on three London subways and a double-decker bus, killing 52 people and wounding 700. (Full story)

    After Bloomberg's warning, some intelligence officials played down the New York information, saying it was not credible.

    On Monday, Bloomberg said he stood by the decision to increase security.

    "Over the immediate future, we'll slowly be winding down the enhanced security, but we, remember, stay at level orange in this city," the mayor said, referring to the color-coded advisory system denoting a "high" risk.

    "We have since 9/11, and we're going to take every single threat that has any chance of being credible seriously and do exactly what we did," Bloomberg said.
    http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/10/11/nyc.scare/index.html? section=cnn_topstories
     
    #1 glynch, Oct 11, 2005
  2. wnes

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    oh, the boy who cried wolf again, and again, and again ...
     
    #2 wnes, Oct 11, 2005
  3. bigtexxx

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    so glynch, you attitude is to not be concerned about terrorists?

    That's why the democrats lost the election, keep up the good work!
     
    #3 bigtexxx, Oct 11, 2005
  4. MadMax

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    What would you have the do with specific threats? Not take them seriously??

    This is the same type of analysis that frustrates me about those who criticize the Astros. You look after the fact and use hindsight to judge a situation. But the people who make the decisions are not given that luxury. And the first imperative in a situation like this is to protect lives.

    And if you had a threat like this...and blew it off....then they'd be all over you for that, too. You can't win.
     
    #4 MadMax, Oct 11, 2005
  5. halfbreed

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    Don't come in here with your logic. Logic has no place in this discussion.
     
    #5 halfbreed, Oct 11, 2005
  6. glynch

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    Well I don't know, but though your question sounds reasonable at first glance, it isn't exactly what happend here.

    From the beginning fairly reliable sources questioned the seriousness of this.

    Don't you think that there is a point at which you have the llittle boy who cried wolf problem and that you have to be careful before putting American's largest city or possibly the whole country on expensive alerts again and again?
     
    #6 glynch, Oct 11, 2005
  7. giddyup

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    Feed him (and the other lying enemy b'tards) to the human-eating pigs (a la Hannibal) and then slaughter one of the pigs, have a BBQ and bury the remains of the lying b'tard with the pig entrails...
     
    #7 giddyup, Oct 11, 2005
  8. MadMax

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    yes..i do think that's a problem. i don't know how you get around that, though.

    bottom line...i'd rather have the information than not have it. then i can make my own decisions with it.
     
    #8 MadMax, Oct 11, 2005
  9. mc mark

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    WOW giddy!

    I think the Army might have a job for ya!
     
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  10. RocketMan Tex

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    Or maybe we could just torture him the way we had been before he gave us the suspect information..... :rolleyes:
     
    #10 RocketMan Tex, Oct 11, 2005
  11. giddyup

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    I prefer beef barbacue but give me a commission of Major and I'll become:

    Major Deterrent

    I know it's a bit over-the-top, but I feel that we have to offer some deterring threat to their pursuit of The 72 Virginians... :D
     
    #11 giddyup, Oct 11, 2005
  12. giddyup

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    Weren't the Feds downplaying this threat while the NY authorities upplayed it?

    I think the Feds labeled it as specious info.
     
    #12 giddyup, Oct 11, 2005
  13. FranchiseBlade

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    I think the answer is more information not less. Instead of saying we have specific threats we are amping up security, and everyone gets scared which is what happened, they should give all of the facts.

    They could say, "We have a specific threat of a possible attack in NY. We are going to amp up security and we are going to continue to investigate. There are some legitimate doubts about the reliability of these threats, and we are going to do our best to make sure it is legitimate. In the mean time be alert but don't panic."

    Then they should come back as soon as possible with the more updated and accurate information.

    By doing this people will believe it when there is a real threat and they say it is a real threat. Because all the times before they have told the whole truth and mentioned that there are some questions as to the reliability of the source or sources. By just saying "we have our doubts but we are going to be careful anyway is much better than not filling people in and allowing everyone to assume the worst which is the natural state of things when people hear there is a credible threat.

    We need more information, not less. At some point officials are going to have to trust the public to receive the information and do the right thing. They don't have to and shouldn't make those decisions for everyone.
     
    #13 FranchiseBlade, Oct 11, 2005
  14. deepblue

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    I don't think everyone was in fear, people still took the subway, police just steped up the security, which is exactly what they should have done.
     
    #14 deepblue, Oct 12, 2005
  15. FranchiseBlade

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    Sure some people did. Some people who took the subway took it in fear. The point is more information is the best policy. Had the govt. said, "We don't really thing that is credible, but until we can make sure, let's all be alert, and we will take some extra precaution."

    People would trust the govt. to do the right thing in cases like this.
     
    #15 FranchiseBlade, Oct 12, 2005
  16. Oski2005

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    I have a question, how many of you spent more than 5 minutes thinking about this threat after you first heard about it?
     
    #16 Oski2005, Oct 12, 2005
  17. underoverup

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    Was this the same guy that told the Bushies about all the WMDs in Iraq? :confused:
     
    #17 underoverup, Oct 12, 2005
  18. mateo

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    Its not like it impacted my commute whatsoever.

    I took the 2 train to work like I do every day. Yawn.
     
    #18 mateo, Oct 12, 2005
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