Lots of chatter about halting or scaling back reconstruction and going back to a war footing. Below is a CNN report on a CIA analysis of the situation and a piece from Fred Kaplan of Slate. None of it looks good and if this is the trend, I don't see anyway to reduce troop strength anytime soon. It also looks like Bremer's role/position may quickly change. ___________ CIA: Iraq security to get worse Bremer meets with White House advisers to discuss situation WASHINGTON (CNN) --A recent CIA assessment of Iraq warns the security situation will worsen across the country, not just in Baghdad but in the north and south as well, a senior administration source told CNN Tuesday. The report is a much more dire and ominous assessment of the situation than has previously been forwarded through official channels, this source said. It was sent to Washington Monday by the CIA station chief in Iraq. It was not immediately clear if the assessment was what prompted the hastily arranged trip to Washington by Iraq civilian administrator L. Paul Bremer, who met Tuesday at the White House with President Bush and senior national security officials. The report was discussed during the high-level meetings, sources said. The senior administration source, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said Bremer agreed with the CIA assessment and added his personal comments to the station chief's memo. In his Veterans Day speech Tuesday, Bush referred to "recent reporting" of cooperation between Saddam loyalists and terrorist elements from outside Iraq. "Saddam loyalists and foreign terrorists may have different long-term goals, but they share a near-term strategy: to terrorize Iraqis and to intimidate America and our allies," Bush told the conservative Heritage Foundation. "In the last few months, the adversary has changed its composition and method, and our coalition is adapting accordingly." Another senior administration official said those points in the speech were based on a U.S. intelligence report about the security situation. A third U.S. official said the intelligence report was from the CIA and that it highlights what the official conceded are several "major ongoing security issues." That official refused to characterize the report in further detail. But the senior administration source who did discuss the report said it essentially says things are "gonna get worse" across Iraq. The source said the memo notes that: • More Iraqis are "flooding to the ranks of the guerrillas." Many of these Iraqis are Sunnis who had previously been "on the sidelines" but now believe they can "inflict bodily harm" on the Americans. • Ammunition is "readily available," making it much easier to mount attacks. The assessment also notes that organization and coordination are getting "tighter" among foreign insurgents -- extremists including but not limited to al Qaeda and Hezbollah -- and those "displaced people" who lost power. (Full story) On a related matter, this source said Bremer sent out his own separate two-page memo Monday in which he provided alternatives to the current seven-step U.S. plan for the transition of power from the Coalition Provisional Authority to the Iraqi people. U.S. officials in Washington and military commanders in Iraq have voiced concern about the recent increase of attacks against coalition and other targets in Iraq. Bush has urged his national security team to accelerate the training and deployment of Iraqi security forces. A large explosion Wednesday apparently shattered the Italian police headquarters in the southern Iraqi city of Nasiriyah. Initial reports indicated that six people were killed. (Full story) Thirty-eight U.S. troops have died this month, bringing the number of U.S. troops killed in the Iraq war to 398. Since President Bush declared an end to major combat May 1, 259 U.S. servicemen and women have been killed. There is no reliable source for Iraqi civilian or combatant casualty figures, either during the period of major combat or after May 1. The Associated Press reported an estimated 3,240 civilian Iraqi deaths between March 20 and April 20, but the AP said that the figure was based on records of only half of Iraq's hospitals, and the actual number was thought to be significantly higher. ___________ War Declared, Again We're not pulling out of Iraq, so it's logical that we're pushing in deeper. By Fred Kaplan Posted Tuesday, Nov. 11, 2003, at 4:04 PM PT And so it's official: "Postwar Iraq" is just another term for "Iraq War—Phase II." In a heavily guarded news conference in Baghdad today, Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, commander of U.S. forces in Iraq, called the state of conflict there a "war." John Burns, the New York Times correspondent covering the event, quotes Sanchez's aides noting that the general's choice of words was deliberate—his way of injecting realism into the debate back in Washington. "We are taking the fight into the safe havens of the enemy in the heartland of the country," Sanchez stated. That sounds like war, all right. To reinforce the impression, word also got around today that the White House has called L. Paul Bremer back to Washington for talks. Bremer is the civilian chief of the U.S.-led occupation authority. He left Baghdad quite promptly, deferring a long-scheduled meeting with the Polish prime minister, whose own troops have recently arrived in country for patrol duties. The guess around the Pentagon is that Bremer's role in postwar reconstruction will probably be scaled back, if not suspended, at least until the war is really over. Whatever the U.S. armed forces do next—and it's a safe bet the change in policy will go well beyond semantics—should not come as much of a surprise. The muddling-through of the past couple of months could not have been sustained much longer, on any grounds. Attacks by insurgents have risen from a half-dozen a day to 35; American fatalities have multiplied from an average of one a day to four; meanwhile, Iraqi hearts and minds are more drifting away from than lurching toward the "coalition" cause. Something had to give. We're not pulling out, so it's logical that we're pushing in deeper. The big question is whether the renewed offensive will truly defeat the insurgents, as Gen. Sanchez guarantees—or whether, in the process of "taking the fight into the safe havens," it will only swell the insurgents' ranks. It has widely been speculated that the insurgents have two aims: first, to kill the American occupiers; second, by doing so, to force the Americans to take more aggressive action and thus further alienate Iraqi civilians. It's a very fine line, and walking it will be Sanchez's most challenging task as a commander. Of course, a big question in this whole equation is: Who are the insurgents? Are they Baathist holdouts, foreign terrorists, or ordinary, if well-armed Iraqis who are angry at American soldiers for killing a brother or cousin? If U.S. intelligence knows who they are and where they hang out—just where these "safe havens" are—the war might be finished without having to use a lot of force. If intelligence doesn't know—and news reports suggest it doesn't—then force might have to be quite heavy. Vietnam analogies are still premature. The insurgents have no state power like North Vietnam, no large and dedicated nationalist army like the Viet Cong, no extensive suppliers like the Soviet Union. Still, unless Gen. Sanchez pulls this thing off fairly quickly, Iraq could start looking like a sand-dune version of the big muddy. Retired Gen. Eric Shinseki, the former Army chief of staff who was upbraided by Donald Rumsfeld for warning Congress that postwar occupation would require a few hundred thousand troops, probably hasn't had to buy his own lunch for several months now. All he has to do is show up at the Army-Navy Club around mealtime and any number of eager officers are no doubt happy to reward him for speaking military truth to civilian power. But the military is hardly blameless in this situation. Last year, the Army and Air Force conducted two war games involving scenarios roughly resembling the Gulf War. At the end of them, one of its mock-commanders, a retired Army general named Huba Wass de Czege, wrote a memo to his colleagues, noting that they ended the game too soon. These games, he wrote, "tend to devote more attention to successful campaign-beginnings than to successful conclusions." The war games are declared over, he continued, "when victory seems inevitable to us (not necessarily to the enemy), at about the point operational superiority has been achieved and tactical control of strategically significant forces and places appears to be a matter of time." Yet winning a war doesn't mean simply winning on the battlefield. "It is just as important," Wass de Czege wrote, "to know how to follow through to the resolution of such conflicts." Otherwise, there is a tendency to underestimate "the difficulties of 'regime change' and the magnitude of the effort required to achieve strategic objectives." The real war recapitulated the war game: swift battlefield victory, followed by a chess-player's notion of victory—saying, "Checkmate in three moves," and instead of slogging through the three moves, toppling the king and declaring the game won. The vanishing of the Iraqi army was interpreted as a vanquishing. Pulling down Saddam's statue was taken as shorthand for killing the man himself. Baghdad was seen, quite properly, as the central target of the U.S.-led invasion; the fall of the Baghdad regime was extrapolated, prematurely, as the surrender of all Iraq. The latest lesson of the war might be this: Whatever great improvements are wrought in a military force—in the firepower of the weapons, the maneuverability of the troops, the coordination of the individual services, the accuracy of the missiles and bombs—these factors comprise but the first phase of a war. As many predicted all along, the harder and more enduring part is the second phase. Neglecting this truth a few months ago, at the end of the first phase, means that the second phase will now be much harder than it might have been for all concerned.
just a quick question: when are we going to start taking Iraqi oil? i want to see the Bush Administration use Iraqi oil to DEVASTATE OPEC, that bunch of sleazy conniving aristocrats extorting the world without any pangs of guilt. A transfer of oh say 500 billion dollars' worth of oil to the US as indemnity would really do wonders for our trade balance, reduce inflation, improve economic growth, and reduce our national debt. It's the least Bush can do for us since he got us into this costly mess to begin with...
IIRC, based on peacekeeping solder/citizen ratios in Serbia/Croatia we need about 500,000 soldiers on the ground to have a firm grip on security in Iraq. Shinseki said we would need about 250,000. In either case we can't spare that many combat soldiers without reinstating the draft, as the strains on the current military indicate (where we have half of Shinseki's figure there). The guerilla movement in Iraq can only have a limited bits of success. Once it gets too successful and attempts to launch a more conventional tactical battle it's game over because of the armor and air support our ground troops will get. It's just a question of how long we are willing to absorb pinprick attacks, or if they are foolish enough to attempt to gather en mass in any location so as to make themselves an easy target for air strikes.
Maybe this will help some; In every war, since the beginning of recorded time, there is a pattern. This pattern has been increased since the age of responsible governments has come into being, but it is still not new. First, you have the caussi bello(i), the cause for war. This is easy to pinpoint; it is that whithout which there is no war, but which itself causes hostilities to commence. It may be the occupation of a certain territory, it may be an agreement to cease hostilities against another party, it may be disarmament of WMDs, or the release of Osama Bin Laden. Whatever it happens to be, it is noticable because negotiations include caveats which state that if the caussi bello(i) is resolved, there will be no war. When war is determined to be inevitable, sometimes earlier, sometimes later, there is always, in every single case, the beginings of what we now call propoganda, the purpose of which is to portray the enemy as savage, the enemy leader as a war monger, immoral, or more recently the trend has been a madman. This happens each and every time, without fail. You will never see a war without it. Look back to the punic wars, and you will see Roman claims that Carthaginians eat their babies. More recently we can look at the invasion of Afghanistan; we all know the reason, Osama Bin Laden. Had the Taliban turned over Osama, or told us where to find him, we would not have invaded. No one is confused about our caussi bello(i). Yet, like clockwork, as soon as we began to talk about invading Afghanistan, we were immersed in all kinds of discussions about the woes of the people there, about female circumscision, veils and the like. Why? There are various reasons we do this, but it boils down to one thing; leaders know people don't like war, but will be more likely to support it, and for longer, if they feel the enemy is evil, the enemy leader is evil, etc. Take a look back at any war...see WWI. Now no one will now suggest that WW One was fought for moral or humanitarian reasons, but if you look back at the common publications of the day, you will see more said about the Huns, their evil ways, etc. than about any real causes for war. The funny thing is that, in retrospect, we often remember these propoganda campaigns more than the real reasons; recent polls show that many American believe that WWII was fought to stop the Holocaust, which couldn't be further from the truth. It is easier for the common man to buy into moralistic reasons for war rather than to think they're dying for dirt, etc. Some of the propoganda is true, some not, but in the end they cannot be confused with causes for war. We went to war over WMD. We said so. Yes, subsequent to that we talked at length about more humanitarian reasons, just as we did with Afhghanistan, Vietnam, and every other war in history. But had we found that Osama had no connections with Afghanistan, we couldn't have turned around and said that we went to war only in part ofr Osama, and in part for the veils, and pointed to the reality of treatment of women as caussi bello(i). DId the women have it bad? Yes. Could our invasion have made their lives better? Yes. Did we talk about their bad situation pre-war? Yes. Does any of that alter the fact that, had the Taliba turned over Osama, we would have never gone in? Of course not. Same goes for Iraq. Don't confuse the propoganda with the cause for war, just because it was basd on reality.
Not aimed at you Woofer, but the number of people who think there is a finite number of terrorists/guerillas/etc. is amazing. It's always going to be more. It doesn't matter if we take out a bunch at once as others will regroup and go back to pinpricks. We completely screwed up on this and we'll be paying the price for decades, if not lifetimes. We cannot win because the other side will never accept defeat. The best we can hope for now is to change the dynamic to thwart the idealogical fervor somewhat. The only way to do that is to pursue policies that are complete 180s from what this administration is currently implementing and willing to do... or time travel.
You're right but I figured that was a different argument. I meant the pinpricks would go on as long as we stay *unless* we put a massive presence there - the assumption here being that a massive presence would enable us to suppress the guerillas since Iraqis largely live only in urban areas. Any time they switch to conventional tactics they lose. It's like the Palestinian suicide bombers - at first one thinks - this can't go on forever - these guys are not procreating - but it sort of spreads like a meme. I'm a big believer in Robert Wright's theories, his interpretation of evolution and culture. and he even wrote some stuff before Gulf War 2 on the best way to spread democracy though the Middle East.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A34071-2003Nov12.html Is This Hussein's Counterattack? Commander Says Insurgence Has Earmarks of Planning By Vernon Loeb and Thomas E. Ricks Washington Post Staff Writers Thursday, November 13, 2003; Page A01 BAGHDAD, Nov. 12 -- The recent string of high-profile attacks on U.S. and allied forces in Iraq has appeared to be so methodical and well crafted that some top U.S. commanders now fear this may be the war Saddam Hussein and his generals planned all along. Knowing from the 1991 Persian Gulf War that they could not take on the U.S. military with conventional forces, these officers believe, the Baath Party government cached weapons before the Americans invaded this spring and planned to employ guerrilla tactics. "I believe Saddam Hussein always intended to fight an insurgency should Iraq fall," said Maj. Gen. Charles H. Swannack Jr., commanding general of the 82nd Airborne Division and the man responsible for combat operations in the lower Sunni Triangle, the most unstable part of Iraq. "That's why you see so many of these arms caches out there in significant numbers all over the country. They were planning to go ahead and fight an insurgency, should Iraq fall." In an interview Wednesday at his headquarters northwest of the capital, Swannack said the speed of the fall of Baghdad in April probably caught Hussein and his followers by surprise and prevented them from launching the insurgence for a few months. That would explain why anti-U.S. violence dropped off noticeably in July and early August but then began to trend upward. Not everyone in Iraq agrees with that theory. An alternative view is that the current resistance was not planned in advance; rather, Hussein loyalists were in disarray after the invasion and took several months to develop a response. In either case, the insurgents clearly gathered intelligence during that time on the vulnerabilities of the U.S. occupation force. Swannack said there is no evidence that Hussein is orchestrating the attacks. "He has to move so much that he can't do the day-to-day operational planning or direction and resourcing of the effort," he said. Lt. Col. Oscar Mirabile, a brigade commander credited with running a sophisticated and largely successful security operation in the Sunni Triangle town of Ramadi, agreed that the Baathist attacks were long planned. "He released criminals out onto the streets," said Mirabile, a Miami police official and former homicide detective who commands the 1st Brigade, 124th Infantry Regiment of the Florida National Guard, which has been operating in Ramadi since May. "Why would anybody do that? Saddam knew he couldn't win a war head to head against coalition forces. He was setting the stage for what you're looking at right now." A CIA report from Iraq received over the weekend supported the commanders' views, saying that agency officers in the field believe that most of the insurgents are "former regime types" who were disorganized by the speed of the U.S. invasion but are now regrouping. The CIA report also warned that if coalition forces cannot get the situation under control, Iraqi citizens may stop cooperating in the fight against the insurgents. "There was a time when the public was relieved the Saddam Hussein regime was gone, and we were the most significant force on the ground," a senior administration official in Washington familiar with the new report said Wednesday. "But now they are getting worried about retribution from them [the insurgents] more than us." He added: "When that becomes a critical mass, it all could go south." If these observations are borne out, it would be a significant departure from previous U.S. government assessments. Before the war, the Bush administration never gave any indication that it expected to face a large-scale, planned guerrilla campaign. Just recently, U.S. officials who interrogated former Iraqi deputy prime minister Tariq Aziz and other former Iraqi officials said they found no evidence of such a strategy. Whether or not the Iraqi opposition is waging a long-planned war, there is no question that enemy attacks on U.S. troops and their foreign and Iraqi allies are increasing in scope, intensity, sophistication and frequency. As one top U.S. officer here noted, Wednesday's suicide bombing of the Italian military police headquarters in an area that had been largely quiet appears to be part of a continuing effort "to spread violence to all parts of the country." Reflecting the U.S. military's inability to get much solid intelligence on the numbers, identity or organization of the opposition, this senior Army officer said he had almost no idea of who was behind Wednesday's attack -- Baathists or Islamic extremists, Iraqis or foreigners, centrally controlled or operating haphazardly. While there has been talk in Washington of the impact of "foreign fighters" in Iraq, intelligence officers here have repeatedly said they believe their enemies inside Iraq are overwhelmingly Iraqi. Earlier this week, Army Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez said that only "probably a couple of hundred" fighters have come from Syria, Egypt, Yemen, Sudan and other countries in the region. The quality of U.S. intelligence in Iraq has proven to be a major problem in recent months and was criticized in a recent internal Army study. While commanders generally say the volume of information coming in has increased, there are still widespread complaints about the lack of coordination and integration of the data. Trustworthy interpreters and intelligence analysts fluent in Arabic remain in short supply. "We're not just getting the human intelligence we need to figure out some of those linkages, across regions, within regions and the national level," Swannack agreed. The bombing Wednesday fits a pattern of attacks on anyone who publicly sides with the U.S. occupation, whether Iraqi officials, foreign troops or international organizations. Over the past three months, Iraqi fighters have shot and killed a member of the Iraqi Governing Council, rocketed the Baghdad hotel where Deputy Defense Secretary Paul D. Wolfowitz was staying, and bombed Iraqi police stations and the embassies of Jordan and Turkey, as well as offices of the United Nations and the International Committee of the Red Cross. As L. Paul Bremer, the top U.S. occupation official for Iraq, put it after a meeting at the White House on Wednesday, "they've tried to target people who cooperate with us: Iraqis, they've killed judges, they try to kill policemen." He added: "I don't think that that's going to work." Overall numbers of enemy attacks also are escalating. In May and June, as the U.S. occupation force settled in, there was an average of five or six attacks a day. By late summer it was averaging about 15. Earlier this week Sanchez, the top U.S. commander inside Iraq, said that during the autumn that number has more than doubled. "It is now about 30 to 35 engagements in a day," he said. One senior commander in Baghdad said he believes there are three levels within the insurgence, all with Baathist loyalists at the core. The smallest attacks, such as sniping on Army patrols, he said, are being carried out by perhaps eight to 10 neighborhood-based cells in Baghdad, each with about 25 members. At the next level -- conducting attacks using improvised roadside bombs against U.S. troops -- he said he suspects there is a citywide organization of Baathists with links to criminal gangs. Finally, for the major, mass casualty suicide bomb attacks, such as the one on the Italian military police headquarters, he said he thinks that Baathists are working with foreign fighters "intent on jihad," or holy struggle. The Iraqi fighters also show increasing sophistication. For example, this summer roadside bombs generally were controlled by wires, one Army officer said; more recently, some have been detonated by signals from cellular telephones. Likewise, some of the mortars fired on U.S. installations in Baghdad have been buried in gardens or kept under garbage cans. Attackers drop two or three shells into the buried mortar tube and then speed away on motorcycles while the shells are airborne. Over the past two weeks, enemy fighters have killed 37 U.S. soldiers, most of them in two downings of U.S. helicopters. "The enemy is waging a campaign against the occupation," said retired Army Col. Andrew J. Bacevich, who teaches strategy and security issues at Boston University. "In some respects, their campaign manifests greater coherence and logic than does our own." Ricks reported from Washington. Staff writer Walter Pincus in Washington contributed to this report.
Pretty damn smart strategy... UN and the Red Cross. Polish, Spanish, Ukrainian, and Italian allies. Japan's not coming. Turkey's not coming. The other committments run out this Spring... does anyone think there will be anybody left but Brits and Americans at that point? They're playing their hand very well and it continually looks like we have no idea. Bad press indeed. ________________ Guerrillas' strategy becomes clear: Isolate the U.S. By Tom Squitieri, USA TODAY The attack on Italian forces Wednesday in southern Iraq is part of a guerrilla strategy to isolate the United States as it attempts to win international support for rebuilding the country, military analysts say. The attack, which killed at least 26 people, is the latest in a string of bombings that have targeted U.S. allies or international agencies, such as the United Nations and Red Cross. The bombings, many of them launched by suicide attackers, are also a sign that the U.S.-led coalition is facing a resistance that is more lethal and is growing in sophistication and organization. "What we see is increasing evidence that we are facing an enemy that has a strategy," says Andrew Bacevich, a professor of international relations at Boston University and a former Army colonel. "This is careful planning of the thoughtful, logical use of violence in order to achieve the enemy's objective." Insurgents hope to foster a sense of insecurity in Iraq and shake resolve in the United States. "The center of gravity in this war is not the (U.S.) military force, to defeat it, but rather the people of Iraq and the people of the United States," says Andrew Krepinevich, executive director of the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments. "There is no way the Iraqi insurgents can physically force the U.S. military to leave. What they've got to do is convince the American people it is not worth it to sustain the military presence." Krepinevich says the insurgents will know that they have lost the war when the Iraqi people "feel confident enough to actively support the coalition and provide intelligence." That is why the insurgents "exact retribution on any Iraqi that seems to support the coalition," he says. The resistance started out small and ineffective after Baghdad fell April 9. Small groups attacked U.S. soldiers with rifles and grenades. Usually, the attackers were killed. Pentagon officials initially described the attacks as doomed efforts of "dead-enders" from the former regime. More recently, guerrillas have used mortars and improvised explosives detonated by remote control, which have allowed insurgents to attack soldiers from a distance and survive. Suicide bombers and more sophisticated weaponry have increased the death toll. At least 37 U.S. soldiers have died in hostile action in Iraq this month, including 22 killed in two attacks on U.S. helicopters. American officers say the insurgency is an alliance of Saddam Hussein loyalists and foreign fighters. Guerrillas are now regularly targeting international aid groups, American allies, U.S. soldiers and Iraqis who cooperate with coalition forces. The attacks have had an impact: Hope has faded at the Pentagon that other nations will contribute troops to Iraq. The United Nations, Red Cross and other international organizations have scaled back their presence in Iraq. And some supporters of the U.S. effort, such as Spain, Bulgaria and the Netherlands, have reduced their diplomatic missions in Iraq. The insurgents are attempting to use classic guerrilla tactics designed to give advantage to a force that is outnumbered and outgunned. These tactics were first developed in the sixth century B.C. by Chinese general Sun Tzu in The Art of War. Sun Tzu wrote, "If we wish to fight, the enemy can be forced to an engagement even though he be sheltered behind a high rampart and a deep ditch. All we need do is attack some other place that he will be obliged to relieve." "This is a campaign against the occupation, and it is one where there is thought and organization and logic, and that is bad news for us," Bacevich says. "It does not mean that we lost or mean that we are losing; it means the problem with each passing day deepens and that if you are supporting the Americans, you are in the gun sights." Coalition forces have stayed with a dual strategy that combines attempting to locate and kill insurgents with efforts to rebuild the country. But some military experts say good intelligence remains an obstacle. "The big story of late is the inadequacy of American intelligence," Bacevich says. "The first step to begin to counter this insurgency is that we need to be in a position to initiate the attacks — to hit them before they hit us. At this point, that initiative still lies with the enemy. We need better intelligence if we are going to be able to turn that around." But the longer that U.S. and coalition forces are there, the better U.S. intelligence gets. "The United States still has major problems in human intelligence collection and analysis which terrorists are exploiting," says Anthony Cordesman, an analyst at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. "We cannot ever stop their intelligence from improving, although our intelligence networks are getting steadily better," Cordesman said.
I agree with Woofer. Any time the Iraqi resistance gets too cocky and launches a bigger operation we can then destroy them. It is very much like the Israeli occupation, though Bush can't stand casualties like Sharon can. Despite the small scale of the resistance action we see the emergency summoning of Brenner to Washington and orders to speed up, to declare democracy "mission accomplished", turn the mess over to some hand picked Iraqis and wish them luck. Thus the last dishonest reason the war, "we did it for democracy" , is being unmasked or at least shown not to be as important as Bush's electoral agenda. Disgusting, given the loss of other people's children. Can the Bush war supporters many of whom I think sincerely believe that we are in Iraq largely because we love democracy ,be turned on a dime to view the whole war as a great success? Even if the hand picked Iraqis we leave behind fall to general chaos or civil war? There would seem to be some limit of Bush to spin this issue.
If Bush is indeed caving to political pressure that is sad, but who is it that is bringing the political pressure. How can you criticize Bush in this instance and not criticize those who bring about the circumstance of forcing this kind of decision?
Sorry giddy, I don't buy that line of reasoning. This was a self-inflicted wound. There were many people saying "don't shoot yourself in the foot," for over a year now and he completely ignored those pressures. Now, when it's deadly obvious that things are going from bad to worse, the criticism falls on those who didn't want this to happen in the first place? You can't say the man has the courage of his convictions when you think things are going well and then turn around and say the opposition is making him do something when things are going bad. He screwed up, his administration screwed up, and we will pay a price for this stupidity for years. On a related note: AQ, terror, WMD, changing the ME, democracy in Iraq, the welfare of the Iraqi people... what do we say when we pull out and leave the place demonstrably worse then when we went in?
I'm not denying Bush's responsibility. I'm criticizing the political opportunism of the Democrats at a time when the U.S. is at war. Have a shot at that!
I'm not denying Bush's responsibility. I'm criticizing the political opportunism of the Democrats at a time when the U.S. is at war. Have a shot at that! So you think Americans should just give Bush free reign to do as he pleases? If he gets us into a war, we should just sit there and accept it? That sounds like dictatorship, not democracy. If we did and everyone just acted like everything was good, then Bush will go do this crap again. The criticism ensures that he doesn't do something this dumb again.
I'm sure there is some opportunism in it, but it is primarily nbased on the idea that this administration has made decisions that are net losses for this country. Look at it this way... you have an employee who is stealing form the till. You use the fact that he is stealing as a basis to fire him. Same principle here. And there's nothing in our history or founding documents that suggest the executive or any aspect of government is free from ciriticism at time of war. Playing that card is just plain un-American in my view.
There must have been a moment, at the beginning, where we could have said -- no. But, somehow we missed it. Well, we'll know better next time. -Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead
As broadcast on CNN and available in transcript on their website, a goofily-grinning GW managed to put the entire election 2000 controversy into a unique perspective. "If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator." See CNN transcript from 12/18/2000 http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0012/18/nd.01.html
I know you want to make this into just a Bush thing but, in fact, is Bush executing his office as an elected Chief Executive or as a dictator? rim: Do you see this as a net loss for the US in the long run. Yeah, the fight is tougher now than we thought or wanted. Did you give up on the fires in California when the going got tough? major: Didn't Bush have approval of the US congress to send troops into Iraq. Don't make it sound like Bush's willy-nillyism.
Well, he would be executing his office as an elected Chief Executive...had he actually been elected! Instead, he is executing his office as a selected Chief Executive! His problem is that he is governing as if he had won in a landslide and had a huge mandate. He doesn't, and that will be one of the reasons for his downfall next year.