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Iran's Revolutionary Guard is now on our Terrorist list

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  1. ymc

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    Does that mean we can now bomb their Revolutionary Guard using the 2002 Iraq War Resolution? :eek: :eek: :eek:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/14/AR2007081401662.html?nav=hcmodule

    Iranian Unit to Be Labeled 'Terrorist'

    The United States has decided to designate Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps, the country's 125,000-strong elite military branch, as a "specially designated global terrorist," according to U.S. officials, a move that allows Washington to target the group's business operations and finances.

    The Bush administration has chosen to move against the Revolutionary Guard Corps because of what U.S. officials have described as its growing involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan as well as its support for extremists throughout the Middle East, the sources said. The decision follows congressional pressure on the administration to toughen its stance against Tehran, as well as U.S. frustration with the ineffectiveness of U.N. resolutions against Iran's nuclear program, officials said.

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    The designation of the Revolutionary Guard will be made under Executive Order 13224, which President Bush signed two weeks after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks to obstruct terrorist funding. It authorizes the United States to identify individuals, businesses, charities and extremist groups engaged in terrorist activities. The Revolutionary Guard would be the first national military branch included on the list, U.S. officials said -- a highly unusual move because it is part of a government, rather than a typical non-state terrorist organization.

    The order allows the United States to block the assets of terrorists and to disrupt operations by foreign businesses that "provide support, services or assistance to, or otherwise associate with, terrorists."

    The move reflects escalating tensions between Washington and Tehran over issues including Iraq and Iran's nuclear ambitions. Iran has been on the State Department's list of state sponsors of terrorism since 1984, but in May the two countries began their first formal one-on-one dialogue in 28 years with a meeting of diplomats in Baghdad.

    The main goal of the new designation is to clamp down on the Revolutionary Guard's vast business network, as well as on foreign companies conducting business linked to the military unit and its personnel. The administration plans to list many of the Revolutionary Guard's financial operations.

    "Anyone doing business with these people will have to reevaluate their actions immediately," said a U.S. official familiar with the plan who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the decision has not been announced. "It increases the risks of people who have until now ignored the growing list of sanctions against the Iranians. It makes clear to everyone who the IRGC and their related businesses really are. It removes the excuses for doing business with these people."

    For weeks, the Bush administration has been debating whether to target the Revolutionary Guard Corps in full, or only its Quds Force wing, which U.S. officials have linked to the growing flow of explosives, roadside bombs, rockets and other arms to Shiite militias in Iraq and the Taliban in Afghanistan. The Quds Force also lends support to Shiite allies such as Lebanon's Hezbollah and to Sunni movements such as Hamas and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad.

    Although administration discussions continue, the initial decision is to target the entire Guard Corps, U.S. officials said. The administration has not yet decided when to announce the new measure, but officials said they would prefer to do so before the meeting of the U.N. General Assembly next month, when the United States intends to increase international pressure against Iran.

    Formed in 1979 and originally tasked with protecting the world's only modern theocracy, the Revolutionary Guard took the lead in battling Iraq during the bloody Iran-Iraq war waged from 1980 to 1988. The Guard, also known as the Pasdaran, has since become an powerful political and economic force in Iran. Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad rose through the ranks of the Revolutionary Guard and came to power with support from its network of veterans. Its leaders are tied to many mainstream businesses in Iran.

    "They are heavily involved in everything from pharmaceuticals to telecommunications and pipelines -- even the new Imam Khomeini Airport and a great deal of smuggling," said Ray Takeyh of the Council on Foreign Relations. "Many of the front companies engaged in procuring nuclear technology are owned and run by the Revolutionary Guards. They're developing along the lines of the Chinese military, which is involved in many business enterprises. It's a huge business conglomeration."

    The Revolutionary Guard Corps -- with its own navy, air force, ground forces and special forces units -- is a rival to Iran's conventional troops. Its naval forces abducted 15 British sailors and marines this spring, sparking an international crisis, and its special forces armed Lebanon's Hezbollah with missiles used against Israel in the 2006 war. The corps also plays a key role in Iran's military industries, including the attempted acquisition of nuclear weapons and surface-to-surface missiles, according to Anthony Cordesman of the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

    The United States took punitive action against Iran after the November 1979 takeover of the U.S. Embassy in Tehran, including the breaking of diplomatic ties and the freezing of Iranian assets in the United States. More recently, dozens of international banks and financial institutions reduced or eliminated their business with Iran after a quiet campaign by the Treasury Department and State Department aimed at limiting Tehran's access to the international financial system. Over the past year, two U.N. resolutions have targeted the assets and movements of 28 people -- including some Revolutionary Guard members -- tied to Iran's nuclear program.

    The key obstacle to stronger international pressure against Tehran has been China, Iran's largest trading partner. After the Iranian government refused to comply with two U.N. Security Council resolutions dealing with its nuclear program, Beijing balked at a U.S. proposal for a resolution that would have sanctioned the Revolutionary Guard, U.S. officials said.

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    China's actions reverse a cycle during which Russia was the most reluctant among the veto-wielding members of the Security Council. "China used to hide behind Russia, but Russia is now hiding behind China," said a U.S. official familiar with negotiations.

    The administration's move comes amid growing support in Congress for the Iran Counter-Proliferation Act, which was introduced in the Senate by Gordon Smith (R-Ore.) and in the House by Tom Lantos (D-Calif.). The bill already has 323 House co-sponsors.

    The administration's move could hurt diplomatic efforts, some analysts said. "It would greatly complicate our efforts to solve the nuclear issue," said Joseph Cirincione, a nuclear proliferation expert at the Center for American Progress. "It would tie an end to Iran's nuclear program to an end to its support of allies in Hezbollah and Hamas. The only way you could get a nuclear deal is as part of a grand bargain, which at this point is completely out of reach."

    Such sanctions can work only alongside diplomatic efforts, Cirincione added.

    "Sanctions can serve as a prod, but they have very rarely forced a country to capitulate or collapse," he said. "All of us want to back Iran into a corner, but we want to give them a way out, too. [The designation] will convince many in Iran's elite that there's no point in talking with us and that the only thing that will satisfy us is regime change."
     
  2. yuantian

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    i guess for bush, it's either with him or against him. if he doesn't like anyone, he will name them terrorist. pretty lame, stupid bull****.
     
  3. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    He doesn't like many people in America, but he doesn't name them terrorists. I wouldn't say that the Revolutionary Guard are terrorists, any more than the SAS or Navy SEALs, but they are clearly an enemy, and shout be treated as such.
     
  4. tigermission1

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    So you CAN designate military/paramilitary force as "terrorists"? Hmm... (paging Hayes!)

    This is a pretty interesting development; they might want to reconsider or it could backfire, however. Up 'til now, the argument has been that terrorism refers to irregular/non-state forces, but if you designate Iran's elite forces as "terrorists", then almost every major military force in the world would have qualified at one point or another (yes, including ours).

    It does sort of make a mockery of our "terrorist list"...
     
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  5. yuantian

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    what did they do to US? i don't recall they did anything against US. no one will be enemies unless you give them reason too.
     
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    I actually believe their actions are similar to the CIA's. I wonder when the KGB will get its classification, too?

    edit: I believe officially, the Guard has been tied to activities in Argentina against Israel. The classification is just a result of the AIPAC recent lobbying...
     
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    This is so incredibly lacking in foresight (ie people automatically talking about adding the CIA) that it is kind of embarrassing. Are they really not able to think through the wider repercussions ahead of time?
     
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    I don't think the decision actually has anything to do with AIPAC and Argentina beyond perhaps tangentially coloring the discussion. Its more about the moronic attempts by the administration to force a showdown with Iran over anything possible, particularly with regards to Iraq.

    The have been trying to force the issue of the Quds Brigade involvement with Iraq since at least the beginning of they year.
     
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    Greenwald:
    http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/index.html
     
  10. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    How about supplying weapons and training to elements in Iraq that have killed American troops? How about doing the same in Afghanistan? Training and arming Hizballah?
     
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    The Right wing of the united states trained and supplied weapons for contras and deathsquads, that led to over 400,000 deaths of innocent civilians in the continent of america. :( they were never considered terrorists
     
  12. StupidMoniker

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    Nope, but I am sure that the people being killed considered the CIA an enemy, which proves my point nicely.
     
  13. tigermission1

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    I guess all the 'thinkers' have left the administration, I am not sure they're thinking to be quite honest. As I said, this is quite embarrassing and I hope it doesn't come to fruition because if it does, it will be 'open season' on the likes of the CIA, IDF, and even our own military engaged in multiple conflicts around the world.

    It basically blurs the long-held distinction between state actors and non-state actors when it comes to terrorism. Now, the argument is limited to 'intentions', since the actor is -- apparently -- irrelevant to defining terrorism. So everyone is fair game now. It's a dangerous precedent, I am not sure they realize it, or if they even care...

    On the flip side, we now can apply the Bush Doctrine and 'bomb them there before they get us here'...where's VP Dick these days?
     
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  14. SamFisher

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    ummm, being on the list means that now they can get into all the coolest clubs with less waiting, sometimes with a reduced cover. I fail to see how this will hurt them.
     
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    No smoking allowed.



    D&D. Impeach Goofus and His Dildo.
     
  16. yuantian

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    how is that any different from US? it seems that they are trying to promote their ideology. US is doing the same thing with democrazy. US is selling advanced weapons to tons of countries around the world. i don't call that promoting peace either. hypocrites :p
     
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    Not that it really maters in this instance because I'm sure the US has done some of both, but there is a difference between selling/giving arms to established governments and selling/giving them to insurgents and revolutionaries.

    And if we are trying to poke each other in the eye, China does about $1-2 billion in arms sales annually.
     
  18. StupidMoniker

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    Aside from the fact that the militias in Iraq and Hizballah are not recognized states, not very different at all. The key is, Iran is arming and training people that are attacking Americans and our allies. That makes them our enemy. That doesn't make one side more or less wrong (there are other factors that make America right and Iran wrong) it just makes them opposed to us.
     
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    I realize the Liberals find it funny and also find it funny these guys have actively targeted U.S. soldiers in Iraq...You guys care about the troops about as much as you care for President Bush...Pathetic/Sad...

    This is a prime example of the extension involving Iran's contribution to terror...We should counter that as such and I am glad for it...We did right by calling a spade exactly right...
     
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    Liberals don't find it funny, but outraging that our troops are dying for nothing but stubborn refusal to recognize a mistake by Bush and his small group of hardcore supporters. Moving toward another war against Iran for our working class primarily small town troops to die in is also enraging. Apparently this is , ok for conservative ideologues as you demonstrate.
     

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