If money talks... Israel spends 200 times more per capita on Military than Iran Global Research, February 16, 2007 http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20070215&articleId=4811 Israel spends almost 200 times more per capita on its military machine than Iran's defence spending, comparative military expenditures compiled by the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS) revealed. In its latest Military Balance, the London-based institute cited the defence spending of Israel at $9.8 billion in 2005, nearly twice the amount for Iran, despite having a population of less than a tenth of Iran's 65 million. In per capita terms, Iran's military expenditure in 2005 was equivalent to only $81 compared to $1,565 spent by Israel, which was almost the same as the US and twice the proportion spent by the UK. Iran's proportion per head was also less than half the average of $193 spent by other countries in the Middle East and North Africa region. The highest per capita military expenditure in the Persian Gulf was by Qatar, $2,547, ahead of Kuwait's $1,885, the UAE's $999, Saudi Arabia's $960 and Bahrain's 726, while Iran was by far the lowest. In real terms, Saudi Arabia's defence spending of $25 billion (compared to the second largest in the region, Israel's $9.8 billion) in 2005 was almost five times that of Iran's despite having less than half the population. Military Balance also showed that US military expenditure of $495 bn was almost twice the total spending by other NATO countries and accounted for more than 40 per cent of the world's total. Among NATO members, the UK's per capita defence spending of $855 was almost twice the average, excluding the amount spent by the US. In the EU, Britain's military expenditure of $52 bn was second to only France's $53 bn in 2005, but far greater than Germany's $38 bn and Italy's $31 bn.
Israel obviously has to, because otherwise, the Islamistic extremist regimes in the neighboring countries would destroy Israel. tigermission1, nice try.
And Saudi's budget didn't strike you in any way? What are they stockpiling weapons for? Of course, using your logic, Iran could equally justify increasing its military spending, since they're surrounded by two -- not just one -- 'hostile' nuclear powers.
I say we just give the Jews Texas. They could get out of the middle east, it would solve a lot of problems.
I thought it was an interesting article because it highlights the disparity in military expenditure in the region, and the world as well. The tiny Gulf states spend more money than they could probably justify (Kuwait, UAE, Qatar), and then Saudi is another story altogether. In contrast to some of its neighbors, Iran's military spending is 'anemic', yet they seem to have found a way to maximize the deterrent effect of their defense program...for pennies on the dollar.
Iran is to Saudi Arabia what Saudi Arabia is to the US. Nobody can challenge the level of military spending of the US. Iran is a poor country. Nobody should be surprised by this article. The military industrial complex has a stranglehold on our foreign policy. Iran is not a threat. They are made out to be a threat by people who stand to profit from attacking Iran. That would be: 1)gunmakers and 2)Christian crusaders/extremists i.e. the people who vote for Huckabee 3)politicians who must protect their career US $500 billion in military spending Iran $5 billion in spending Would the Charlotte Bobcats be a threat for the championship against the Phoenix Suns or Dallas Mavericks? If you believe that, then you can believe that Iran is a threat.
Iran is and can absolutely become a 'threat', they're a constant menace -- from our POV -- in the region, and our long-time allies (Israel, Egypt, Saudi, Jordan) have all -- to differing degrees -- expressed concern about Iran growing into a major regional power. So I would strongly disagree with that assessment. Now, are they poised to engage the U.S. in a full-scale conflict any time soon? Probably not, unless they're forced into it. But that doesn't mean they're not a 'threat'. They've made their agenda rather clear over the years, and much of it does clash with U.S. interests in the region. Whether or not we should take preventive measures against them is an entirely different question that has been debated here ad nauseam, but on the question of whether or not they're a 'threat' (small or big, whatever you believe), they're definitely a 'threat' to U.S. hegemonic interests in the region.
1. Iran has the world's 2nd largest proven oil reserves after Saudi Arabia (3rd largest if you include Canada's oil sands deposits). 2. Iran has the world's 2nd largest proven natural gas reserves after Russia. For the past 80 years, it has been a prime target of the Elite. This is why you can turn on CNN, BBC World, EuroNews, SkyNews, etc and be guaranteed to hear at some point "Ahmed-mini-jihad is a terr'ist who wants to destroy Israel and attack America and also he tried to kill my daddy."
I have to admit, the Iranians are a rather ingenious bunch, small military budget and all... Diplomats: Iran processes uranium gas http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080213/ap_on_re_mi_ea/nuclear_iran VIENNA, Austria - Iran's new generation of advanced centrifuges have begun processing small quantities of the gas that can be used to make the fissile core of nuclear warheads, diplomats told The Associated Press on Wednesday. The diplomats emphasized that the centrifuges were working with minute amounts of uranium gas. One diplomat said Tehran has set up only 10 of the machines — far too few to make enriched uranium in the quantities needed for an industrial-scale energy or weapons program. Still, the information revealed details of the state of Iran's experiments with its domestically developed IR-2 centrifuges, which can churn out enriched uranium at more than double the rate of the machines that now form the backbone of the Iranian nuclear project. The existence of the IR-2 was made known only last week by diplomats accredited to the Vienna-based International Atomic Energy Agency, which is investigating Iran's nuclear program for any evidence that it might have been designed to make weapons. Diplomats told AP last week that the new centrifuges appeared to be running empty and they could not quantify the number of machines that had been set up at the experimental facility linked to Iran's growing underground enrichment plant at Natanz. Fleshing out previous information, a diplomat said Wednesday that the IR-2 centrifuges were set up Jan. 20 and began processing minute amounts of uranium gas soon afterward as part of testing the machines. He and other diplomats who discussed the latest details of Iran's program agreed to do so only if granted anonymity because they were not supposed to be releasing the confidential information. Iran is under two sets of U.N. sanctions for ignoring Security Council demands that it suspend uranium enrichment, which Tehran started developing during nearly two decades of covert nuclear activity built on illicit purchases on the nuclear black market. Iran insists the program is meant only to produce fuel for atomic reactors that will generate electricity, but the revelation five years ago of the secret work heightened suspicions by the U.S. and others that the Iranians want to develop nuclear arms. In rejecting U.N. demands that enrichment be halted until suspicions are cleared up, Iranian leaders have argued their country has a right to a peaceful nuclear program and insisted they would expand the project rather than freeze it. Until last week's revelations that Iran had developed its own advanced centrifuge, Tehran had publicly focused on working with P1 centrifuges, outmoded machines acquired on the black market in the 1980s. More than 3,000 of the older centrifuges are processing uranium gas near Natanz, a city about 300 miles south of Tehran. An IAEA report in November said Iran has stockpiled nearly 300 tons of the precursor gas used in enrichment. That would be enough to make about 40 nuclear bombs were it spun to weapons grade concentrations, experts have said. Diplomats described the IR-2 as a hybrid of the P-2 centrifuge once peddled on the black market by A.Q. Khan, the scientist who oversaw Pakistan's development of nuclear weapons. The P-2 can enrich uranium gas up to three times faster than a P-1, but it is made from maraged steel — a high-nickel, low-carbon steel that is difficult to manufacture and hard to smuggle through international controls. Diplomats said last week the Iranians had circumvented that problem by making the new centrifuge's rotor tubes out of carbon fiber, presumably working with machines and technology developed for Tehran's missile sector and using a German version as a model. Former U.N. nuclear inspector David Albright, whose Washington-based Institute for Science and International Security tracks countries under nuclear suspicion, said 1,200 of the more advanced machines could produce enough material for a single nuclear warhead in a year, compared to 3,000 of the older model. He also said 10 centrifuges already processing uranium gas indicated they have been linked to each other in a "cascade" — a configuration used in industrial-size operations and an indication of a fairly advanced stage of testing. "Here's a centrifuge largely developed at a secret site, and it appears they have gotten further along than people have anticipated," he said. Iran has stonewalled the U.N. nuclear watchdog agency for years on details of its centrifuge development, but in recent months has shown more cooperation under a plan agreed to last year that commits Tehran to lifting secrecy on all past nuclear activities. Last month, the International Atomic Energy Agency's chief, Mohamed ElBaradei, was given new information on Iran's "new generation of centrifuges" during talks in Tehran — a priority as the agency tries to establish how far along Iran is in developing the technology. ElBaradei is to report on the progress of his probe next month to the 35-nation IAEA board.
There's your problem. The USA's interests should be confined in the region between Canada and Mexico. There are several global agencies who are created to deal with conflicts around the world. The USA is not one of them. Tiger, everyone has an interest, a different one. No man is powerful enough to alter any destiny except his own.
Umm...we're a global empire, with interests all over the globe. Our interests are not 'confined' to Canada and Mexico, certainly not in a global economy. The 19th century is done and over with...
I said "the region between canada and mexico" meaning the US soil. We should only be engaged in trading with other countries and we should in no way have a presence outside the US unless we declare war on a country that has waged war agaisnt us. We should not influence the makeup of foreign governments, force Christianity on people, invade them etc
It doesn't. Palestine basically spends nothing on military. Does that make them the most peaceful nation on earth? Not even close. Spending on the military can have an affect on how efficient your military is, in terms of things like kill ratios. It does not determine how bellicose a country is. Isolationism worked great in the teens and thirties of the last century, not like it was followed by any major conflicts or anything.
Saying our interests are confined to the area between Canada and Mexico is more isolationist than even what most of the isolationists push for. At least most of them want to hang on to Alaska and Hawaii. You would be hard pressed to get a majority of people to agree that we should not project power anywhere in the world.
What does that mean? You wanna be a bully? Didn't you argue in an older thread that you don't like NBA players who flaunt their riches and fame? Why should nations be any different? If you are the most powerful nation in the world you are the most powerful nation in the world. You don't have to project anything. Everybody knows it. If you want them to respect you, you don't bother them. If you want them to fear you, you project on them. I have found respect to be more effective than fear. You still didn't define how you interpret isolationism. Breaking into your neighbor's house doesn't prove you're not an isolationist, it just proves you're a thief.
Question for you: Should the United States have ignored Europe during World War 2? After all, Hitler didn't attack us. We had no business rescuing the Brits and the French and preventing the Russians from taking all of Germany, right?
If every middle-eastern country was like Israel and it's citizens, nearly 3,000 United States men,...women,...children...would likely be alive today. I guess to be on the left side politically means you are "suppose" to hate Israel for some odd reason,...(kinda like the way you are suppose to follow Obama without questioning, or clapping for Gore's environmenal charts without asking what about the charts to his Bell Meade massive home structure compared to others, and so on and so forth...but that is another stor-eeeeeee! beeech!)