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Iran: No deal reached, only framework; Iran can still enrich

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  1. bigtexxx

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    #1 bigtexxx, Apr 2, 2015
  2. larsv8

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    "Framework"

    But seriously, anyone wanna take guesses on what stupid reason the conservatives will vote against this?
     
    #2 larsv8, Apr 2, 2015
  3. chrispbrown

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    No weapons grade uranium, 98% reduction of low grade uranium, 2/3rds of centrifuges shut down and enrichment allowed at only one facility.

    All previous sanctions can be immediately imposed again if they fail our terms...

    VERSUS

    Sanctions and they can do whatever they want.

    Seems pretty obvious choice to me.
     
    #3 chrispbrown, Apr 2, 2015
  4. mc mark

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    Even Bill O’Reilly is on board

    Under the terms of the plan, Iran will suspend over two-thirds of its installed centrifuges and dilute or ship overseas its enriched uranium stocks. Iran has agreed to slash its centrifuges from 19,000 to 6,104 and not enrich uranium over 3.67 percent or build new facilities for enrichment for 15 years. It will, however, be able to continue “limited” research and development with advanced centrifuges.

    Once inspectors from the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) confirm that Iran has met its obligations, the United States, and the international community, will lift economic sanctions against the country. But those sanctions would “snap back into place” should Iran fail to meet its obligations, according to a fact sheet distributed by the White House. A final agreement — including all technical deals — is expected to be reached by June 30th. Experts estimate that while Iran will currently need 2 to 3 months to obtain enough fissile material to produce one nuclear weapon, under this agreement, that so-called “breakout timeline” will grow to at least one year for 10 years.
     
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  5. larsv8

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    Huge win for Obama, thanks for posting Texx.
     
    #5 larsv8, Apr 2, 2015
  6. edwardc

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    Seems like it may work US, UK, France, China and Russia plus Germany all sat down to make this happen.
     
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  7. Rashmon

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  8. CometsWin

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    A victory for America. Thanks, Obama.
     
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  9. SWTsig

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    step in the right direction.
     
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  10. bongman

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    Whats next, we will be able to go to Cuba to have some local Mohito's?
     
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  12. bigtexxx

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    Iran accuses the US of lying about the framework. Says White House is misleading Congress and American people.

    LAUSANNE, Switzerland — Just hours after the announcement of what the United States characterized as a historic agreement with Iran over its nuclear program, the country’s leading negotiator lashed out at the Obama administration for lying about the details of a tentative framework.

    Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif accused the Obama administration of misleading the American people and Congress in a fact sheet it released following the culmination of negotiations with the Islamic Republic.

    Zarif bragged in an earlier press conference with reporters that the United States had tentatively agreed to let it continue the enrichment of uranium, the key component in a nuclear bomb, as well as key nuclear research.

    Zarif additionally said Iran would have all nuclear-related sanctions lifted once a final deal is signed and that the country would not be forced to shut down any of its currently operating nuclear installations.

    Following a subsequent press conference by Secretary of State John Kerry—and release of a administration fact sheet on Iranian concessions—Zarif lashed out on Twitter over what he dubbed lies.

    “The solutions are good for all, as they stand,” he tweeted. “There is no need to spin using ‘fact sheets’ so early on.”

    Zarif went on to push back against claims by Kerry that the sanctions relief would be implemented in a phased fashion—and only after Iran verifies that it is not conducting any work on the nuclear weapons front.

    Zarif, echoing previous comments, said the United States has promised an immediate termination of sanctions.

    “Iran/5+1 Statement: ‘US will cease the application of ALL nuclear-related secondary economic and financial sanctions.’ Is this gradual?” he wrote on Twitter.

    He then suggested a correction: “Iran/P5+1 Statement: ‘The EU will TERMINATE the implementation of ALL nuclear-related economic and financial sanctions’. How about this?”

    The pushback from Iran’s chief diplomat follows a pattern of similar accusations by senior Iranian political figures after the announcement of previous agreements.

    Following the signing of an interim agreement with Iran aimed at scaling back its nuclear work, Iran accused the United States of lying about details of the agreement.

    On Thursday evening, Zarif told reporters the latest agreement allows Iran to keep operating its nuclear program.

    “None of those measures” that will move to scale back Iran’s program “include closing any of our facilities,” Zarif said. “We will continue enriching; we will continue research and development.”

    “Our heavy water reactor will be modernized and we will continue the Fordow facility,” Zarif said. “We will have centrifuges installed in Fordow, but not enriching.”

    The move to allow Iran to keep centrifuges at Fordow, a controversial onetime military site, has elicited concern that Tehran could ramp up its nuclear work with ease.

    Zarif said that once a final agreement is made, “all U.S. nuclear related secondary sanctions will be terminated,” he said. “This, I think, would be a major step forward.”

    Zarif also revealed that Iran will be allowed to sell “enriched uranium” in the international market place and will be “hopefully making some money” from it.

    http://freebeacon.com/national-security/iran-accuses-u-s-of-lying-about-new-nuke-agreement/
     
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  13. mc mark

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    seems legit

    Wikipedia: The Washington Free Beacon is an American web site that publishes news and associated content from a conservative perspective. It states it is "dedicated to uncovering the stories that the powers that be hope will never see the light of day”

    “If credible media outlets regard the unethical practices of The Free Beacon as valid, all of journalism will be debased.”
     
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  14. fchowd0311

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    This well eventually help the people of Iran the most which is always a great thing. We have heated debates about what causes Islamic extremism and how to quell it. Well, here is one solution. Let the Iranian people enjoy some economic success. Let them buy new cars at a sane price. Let them go college. Let them live a life of modernity. Easing sanctions can help spark that.
     
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  15. Amiga

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    Progress.. Good to see the international community working toward peace and not war.
     
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  16. mc mark

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    Speaking of the international community, the reaction so far has been very positive.

    “We are closer than ever to an agreement that makes it impossible for Iran to possess nuclear weapons. That is a great credit to all negotiating partners.”

    — German Chancellor Angela Merkel.

    “This is well beyond what many of us thought possible even 18 months ago and a good basis for what I believe could be a very good deal. But there is still more work to do.”

    — British Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond.

    “We are convinced that the final agreement on the nuclear dossier could have positive effects both with Iran and for developments in various other crisis areas.”

    — Italian Foreign Minister Paolo Gentiloni.

    “We consider the solution that was found, from the point of view of strengthening the legal system of international relations, as bright proof that the most difficult problems and crisis situations can be resolved through political and diplomatic efforts.”

    — Russian Foreign Ministry.
     
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  17. hoopster325

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    Thats really great that Western Europe and America is patting themselves on the back, saying they've made the world a better place, yet the countries that actually have to live with the consequences of the deal all hate it.

    Israel, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt all seem to hate it, and all are the only remaining American allies in the neighborhood.
     
    #17 hoopster325, Apr 3, 2015
  18. peleincubus

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    why do they in particular hate it??
     
    #18 peleincubus, Apr 3, 2015
  19. Buck Turgidson

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    Iran is by far our greatest potential ally in that region. It will happen eventually.
     
    #19 Buck Turgidson, Apr 3, 2015
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    Great news for Iranian, instead of having 55% of population under property line, now it can be just 45%
     
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