In the Israeli Palestinian Conflict no Good Deed Goes Unpunished

Muslim is generally not allowed in Islam. Regardless of whether you agree with that or not, it's not for this woman to drag children into something which may be against their religion.

It's absolutely better than throwing stones or picking up guns or blowing yourself up. But there are other ways to do what she wants to do. It is no surprise that she was stopped.

I do commend her efforts and personally admire her. She tried to do something great but just made the tiny mistake of not realizing that music is a hazy issue in Islam. I wish she had done this with sports, for example, rather than music.

But obviously everyone is just going to assume that this was done out of love for war rather than anything else. Which is why I just wanted to say at the beginning of the thread before everyone else comes in: I very much admire her efforts and find it unfortunate that a technicality got in the way.

Not sure if the article is implying that she has been abducted or something. If so, my prayers go out to her.

 

*Music is generally not allowed in Islam.

 

I am pretty sure the issue here wasn't about music and Islam. (Btw, your views are very Taliban like). The issue was that people were outraged about the observation of Jewish suffering during WWII.

 

Actually Islam does say not to get too invloved with music, did you think this is a Taliban only thing?

 

After reading the article, I think any logical person would be able to tell that people were not outraged because of a religious issue. The children were already in an orchestra as is. Mathloom was attempting make it look like a religious issue when it clearly was not. There are also is a significant Christian population in the West Bank.

As far as the music issue goes, yes I view it to be pretty hardcore. But to each their own.

 

Buddy, I didn't even respond to the article, it was to you calling another poster a Taliban fanatic. I know a few people in the U.S & Canada who don't listen to music much because of the religious issue, calling it 'hardcore' and 'taliban' is silly and childish. This person is obviously a more religious and conservative follower, but to basically name call a person such as this as a "terrorist like" person is very ignorant. IMHO.

 

Not listening to any music because due to religion is "hardcore". I'm sorry.

 

I agree, 'hardcore' might be a word some would use to describe an individual who doesn't listen to music, but when you add words like 'taliban' it changes the meaning of hardcore due to how its used in the media. It's just the stigma that surrounds those words I guess, it's as though you are calling these people terrorists, but that's just how I feel. As he said, to each their own.

 

wow...i've read through the koran...i've had Muslim friends...i've been to Friday prayers at a mosque...i love reading about different religions....

but i've never heard this. wow.

 

Just more tolerance from the Palastinians...YEE HAW !

Why is Islam so intolerant?

DD

 

lol

I wasn't stating my views, sorry if it came off that way. My brother's a part time jazz musician, other one is a radio host and I play the guitar.

ChrisBosh has it down tough. Some people just don't because Islam says to watch it when it comes to music. I believe the parents who tried to put Eminem in jail will attest that this is not a purely Islamic thing.


Anyways. I was just pointing out the obvious thing that this article left out. Those kids were being guided to do soemthing which their religion says to try to keep away from. It is an issue with lots of Muslim parents and is independent of the Israeli-palestinian conflict usually.

 

MadMax,

This is why it's hazy. Because it's not mentioned in the Qura'an. It is viewed negatively in some hadiths, while in other Hadiths the Prophet appears to be indifferent to it. The Prophet never said that Music is not allowed.

What is infferred is that there is soemthing negative about music sometimes. Since we don't know what that "something" or "sometimes" refer to, some people find it easier to avoid it all together and I completely understand that. However, this is not a duty.

What is Sunna (Prophet's words/actions) are encouraged. What is in the Qura'an is your duty. Music not being allowed is not in the Qura'an.

If any of you are musicians you would probably know that Yusuf Islam, formerly Cat Stevens, is an Islamic musician.

 

There you go again dakota...making ignorant generalizations again. You definitely are a "T_J" on the subject.

 

Probably similar to the crazy Baylor "dancing is bad" policy of recent years.

 

MadMax,

Also wanted to clarify that I was wrong to say "Muslim is generally not allowed in Islam."

It would have been more correct of me to say that Music is generally discouraged in Islam. It comes from the theory that if you're unsure of something or have a doubt, and you can't come to a decision in your heart about it, then try to stay away from it.

There are several places where yo ucan read about Music and Islam, you'll find lots of views with most of them being somewhere around "would be better to discourage than encourage."

Would be more than happy to provide you with some links if you like, though I understand that you would feel more comfortable reading through them yourself when/if you have time. Hope that helps.

 

Just to clarify, there is NOTHING that says "no music" in Islam, it was more about moderation. To many it meant not to listen to things that are blasphemous (I think that's the main message). There are some that are more conservative and don't even want to take the chance to listen to music as they feel what they are listening to MIGHT be blasphamous (these are the people i was mentioning earlier). By the way there is singing and songs that are carried out in the religion as a way of worship.....so to say Islam says no to music is wrong....its more about WHAT you are singing about.

 

I suppose it can be seen as musical in nature.

I don't know about the Taliban, but I doubt anyone else in the Muslim world would punish someone for playing music too loudly.

When reffering to music, it's important to be specific. Poetry is fine as long as there's nothing immoral in there. So we can say that the words are fine.

It's the instruments which are debated. I shouldn't go so deeply into this because I'm not an expert, but just to give you an idea of why it's debated...

In Islam, we have a number of signs about judgement day coming closer. We have big signs and small signs. They are not definitive. It is just a list of things which will beging to appear as judgement day nears. The word "nears" is relative - this could mean 10 days or 1 million years.

Now, these signs are largely (almost all I think) negative. The appearance of the "Anti-Christ" is one of the huge ones. As is the return of Jesus PBUH )this is obviously a good sign). Then there are small signs.

There is a hadith which mentions that one of the signs that judgement day is nearing is that (paraphrasing here) there will be a huge increase in the playing of musical instruments and/or the playing of musical instruments will become very very widespread.

The hadith does not say that we should not play instruments. We can't move judgement day anyway, so if we all picked up mics and guitars today, it wouldn't make a difference. The idea is that since the signs are, for the most part, negative then maybe it's not such a great thing. There's some doubt. obviously it can be interpreted several ways.

Now, depending on your risk averseness, you wil ldecide what to do. However, the safest thing to do obviously is to stay away. You don't LOSE anything from getting rid of music. But you may be taking on a tiny bit of risk. This is for the very risk averse.

Have I helped clarify or am I confusing you more?

 

Except, y'know, music.