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In Speech Bush Returns to Fear Mongering as Polls Drop

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by glynch, Oct 6, 2005.

  1. glynch

    glynch Member

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    When All Else Fails, Start Fear Mongering

    America is losing confidence in President Bush. A Newsweek poll reveals that “across the board…his most visible policies only pull the support of a third of the country: on the economy, 35 percent approve; on Iraq, 33 percent; on energy policy, 28 percent.” When all else fails, start fear mongering. Some excerpts from President Bush’s speech today:

    All these separate images of destruction and suffering that we see on the news can seem like random and isolated acts of madness. Innocent men and women and children have died simply because they boarded the wrong train or worked in the wrong building or checked into the wrong hotel.

    And while the killers choose their victims indiscriminately, their attacks serve a clear and focused ideology, a set of beliefs and goals that are evil but not insane.
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    With greater economic and military and political power, the terrorists would be able to advance their stated agenda: to develop weapons of mass destruction, to destroy Israel, to intimidate Europe, to assault the American people and to blackmail our government into isolation.

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    No act of ours invited the rage of the killers, and no concession, bribe or act of appeasement would change or limit their plans for murder.

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    In truth, they have endless ambitions of imperial domination and they wish to make everyone powerless except themselves…They seek to end dissent in every form and to control every aspect of life and to rule the soul itself.



    Defeating a militant network is difficult because it thrives like a parasite on the suffering and frustration of others.
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    [W]e’re determined to deny weapons of mass destruction to outlaw regimes and to their terrorist allies who would use them without hesitation.

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    Evil men who want to use horrendous weapons against us are working in deadly earnest to gain them.

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    This would be a pleasant world, but it’s not the world we live in. The enemy is never tired, never sated, never content with yesterday’s brutality.

    http://thinkprogress.org/2005/10/06/start-fearmongering/

    For a complete text of Bush's latest pr spin to try to bolster the roughly 1/3 who support his war see the NYT.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/06/politics/06text-bush.html
     
  2. No Worries

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    When the only tool you own is a hammer, all problems look like nails.
     
  3. wouldabeen23

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    Or if you keep trying to fit the square peg in the round hole..
     
  4. mc mark

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    Is anyone still listening?
     
  5. Bullard4Life

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    Jorge and bigtexxx will as soon as they finish drinking the KoolAid.
     
  6. Svpernaut

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    I love it when people post links to sided sources... Gee, do you think the right can come up with wacky ideas about the left by pulling them out of their asses and vice-versa? It isn't debate, it is canon fodder.
     
  7. jo mama

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    these are direct quotes from the president
     
  8. rhadamanthus

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    I like it better when people post replies that accuse the original post of slant while contributing absolutely nothing to counter the claim.

    But that's just me.
     
  9. jo mama

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    talk about the pot calling the kettle black. this just made me laugh out loud.
     
  10. wnes

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    Duh!!

    What if "terrorists" also start "internal investigation" of their own?
     
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  11. mc mark

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    During War Speech, Bush Calls Himself a 'Tyrant' and a 'Radical'

    Bush's speech today at the National Endowment for Democracy was loaded with what author Mark Crispin Miller has observed as Bush's pathological tendency for "projectivity."

    "Projectors are those people who consistently attack others for the things they hate most in themselves. What's significant about Bush's projectivity is that it perfectly expresses or reflects the larger projectivity of the Christo-fascist movement . . . Movements to rid the world of evil are always paranoid because they're fundamentally driven by the crusaders' inner evil-doers. You can kill every evil-doer in the world. You can kill everybody. But you can never kill enough of them if it's the evil-doer in yourself who most disturbs you."

    Mark Crispin Miller in an interview with Buzzflash. July 23, 2004

    So now, some George W. Bush pathological projectivity from Thursday's address.

    Bush on his six week vacation: "There's always a temptation in the middle of a long struggle to seek the quiet life, to escape the duties and problems of the world and to hope the enemy grows weary of fanaticism..." He's referring to opponents of the war, but he's actually talking about his own desire to escape from the day-to-day onslaught of bad news.

    Bush on his domestic and international policy: "...a radical ideology with immeasurable objectives to enslave whole nations and intimidate the world." Bush knows a lot about intimidating the world. And his single-minded re-alignment of international policy and diplomacy can very easily be defined as radical and ideological -- if not downright insane.

    Bush on his exploitation of Christianity to suit his party's political goals: "The time has come for all responsible [Christian] leaders to join in denouncing an ideology that exploits [Christianity] for political ends, and defiles a noble faith."

    Bush discussing more of his own penchant for exploitation -- but also, his inability to accept blame, as well as his policy of war over diplomacy: "The radicals exploit local conflicts to build a culture of victimization, in which someone else is always to blame and violence is always the solution."

    Bush discussing what he doesn't like about democracy: "But that's the essence of democracy: making your case, debating with those who you disagree -- who disagree, building consensus by persuasion, and answering to the will of the people." Bush likes to make his own case, but tends to fail even with favorable audiences. Bush NEVER debates those who disagree and hates hearing bad news and dissent from his own staff. His town hall meetings are stacked with ringers and the presidential debates last year underscored his disgust with the process. And the "will of the people?" This after yesterday's press conference in which he pissed* all over a reporter who asked him about a new poll -- which measures the will of the people.

    Bush on the immoral killing of civilians, including Western journalists and children, in his war: "When 25 Iraqi children are killed in a bombing, or Iraqi teachers are executed at their school, or hospital workers are killed caring for the wounded, this is murder, pure and simple -- the total rejection of justice and honor and morality and religion." Emphasis mine.

    Bush on his "unspoken" policy of torturing prisoners: "[We're] unconstrained by any notion of our common humanity, or by the rules of warfare."

    And finally, Bush defining himself as a tyrant: "Throughout history, tyrants and would-be tyrants have always claimed that murder is justified to serve their grand vision..." The war in Iraq has killed thousands of civilians while serving Bush's grand vision. "...and they end up alienating decent people across the globe." Bush's war in Iraq has alienated us from many peaceful nations. "Tyrants and would-be tyrants have always claimed that regimented societies are strong and pure..." Regimented societies? Like those that desire the regimented laws of the Bible to infiltrate secular democracy? "...until those societies collapse in corruption and decay." Corruption is the GOP's middle name right now. "Tyrants and would-be tyrants have always claimed that free men and women are weak and decadent..." Bush has used the phrase "if it feels good, do it" to blast his political opponents and the Clinton administration.

    I'd like to end with a startling admission by the president regarding the war. He admitted today that his folly in Iraq has resulted in Bin Laden taking control of that nation. In other words, he liberated Iraq from Saddam and handed it over to Bin Laden. Winston Churchill once chastised Roosevelt for liberating eastern Europe from the Nazis and handing it over to the communists. You tell me, is this president creating more problems than he's solving? Your president: "Would the United States and other free nations be more safe, or less safe, with Zarqawi and bin Laden in control of Iraq, its people, and its resources? Having removed a dictator who hated free peoples, we will not stand by as a new set of killers, dedicated to the destruction of our own country, seizes control of Iraq by violence."

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/during-war-speech-bush-c_b_8444.html
     
  12. Deckard

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    Hey, a lot of what he said is true. What is disturbing about it is the mindless ignorance he showed by invading and occupying Iraq, thus giving the enemy we should have put all our efforts into killing, where they were, the finest recruitment tool Bin Laden could have asked for, for free, the occupation of an Arab country by Western powers.

    This insurgency will continue until we leave. I've come to that conclusion. We have some fine people over there, besides our military, doing some good work, but it is, I'm afraid, all for naught. This will not end. The Arab world sees our presence there as a cancer on the Arab people, and an extention of the Western colonial presence they remember all too well.

    What a mess. We have to find a decent way out. I don't know how to find such an exit, but I don't see, now, a viable alternative.



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  13. wnes

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    Simple. Just walk out, now. Let the Iraqis take care of their own business.
     
  14. Deckard

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    It's not that simple. None of this is simple.



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  15. basso

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    wnes, islamic jihadist sympathizer.
     
  16. basso

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    nice to see W calling evil by its name. if only "some" on the left could learn to do so america might begin to think seriously about the democratic party again
     
  17. Deckard

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    Cut the crap, basso. What a "Catch 22." Bush creates this incredibly awful situation, says we can't leave because of his own stupid actions, and anyone who says we should is an "islamic jihadist sympathizer."

    I used to think you were better than this.



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  18. wnes

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    basso, hitler nazi fascist follower.
     
  19. basso

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    i'm not better than this- this is exactly what bin laden et al want. and the question of whether we should stay and finish the job is entirely separate from that of whether we were right to invade. i said it in another thread, but don't get stuck on stupid. you're better than that.
     
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    Basso, disgusting, divisive, name calling, attacher of false labels.
     

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