1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Ime Udoka after Thunder crush Rockets in OKC 11/8/2024

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Clutch, Nov 8, 2024.

  1. rockets1995

    rockets1995 Member

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2011
    Messages:
    6,099
    Likes Received:
    7,228
    Find a 7 Second Offensive Coach.
    Mike D'Antoni Style Offense.

    Reed Sheppard is wasting his time in this Ime no clue offense, spot up SG, stand in the corner 3 offense.
     
    RB713, clos4life and Arnel like this.
  2. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2008
    Messages:
    19,407
    Likes Received:
    19,997
    It's arguably the hardest game in the regular season. I'll give Udoka a pass but his analysis is whack.
     
    AlperenSengun, RB713 and harold bingo like this.
  3. Dr of Dunk

    Dr of Dunk Clutch Crew

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 1999
    Messages:
    46,072
    Likes Received:
    32,505
    I always laugh at this because it's like they're all-world and the greatest shooters in college and then come to the Rockets and after about 1-4 games in the summer league "he can't shoot!" :D It's like the Rockets break them in a week or something. I'm guessing it's sometimes the player not the coaches.

    Although ... Garry Bird is over there shooting 50% on 6 attempts/game so far ...
     
  4. rockets1995

    rockets1995 Member

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2011
    Messages:
    6,099
    Likes Received:
    7,228
    Maybe Reed Sheppard needs to be sent down, just to play free, Play PG Full Time put up 20 shots and pass for 10 assists.

    Get away from Ime Udoka slow, half court boring offense. So many wasted opportunities and shots wasted, not playing uptempo.
     
    Corpusfan likes this.
  5. vjohnson

    vjohnson Member

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2008
    Messages:
    3,613
    Likes Received:
    1,762
    um Ime wants them to play fast but play good tough defense also, he can’t control them not making shots. You can bring in another coach and get the same bricks and still lose
     
  6. ApacheWarrior

    ApacheWarrior Member

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2017
    Messages:
    9,835
    Likes Received:
    12,821
    I heard Udoka say, "we don't want Alphi or Steven Adams guarding good scorers"

    Yet Sengun fans have the nerve to argue with me that Sengun is a, "good defender!"
     
    Crashlanded19 likes this.
  7. fattz

    fattz Member

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2009
    Messages:
    5,520
    Likes Received:
    5,223
    Half court offense is good defense, because slowing the ball down keep the other team from having it and scoring. Coach wants to slow it down to keep the offense possessions down for the other team. Fewer possessions, lower score, good defense.
     
  8. Rochut

    Rochut Member

    Joined:
    May 19, 2002
    Messages:
    274
    Likes Received:
    284
    If only we had the right types of players for a true motion offense!!?!

    Oh, wait......!
     
  9. Hemingway

    Hemingway Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2016
    Messages:
    7,737
    Likes Received:
    10,183
    Kaos and playing fast and downhill is what this team needs. They can’t do it while FVV is the hub of your offense.
     
  10. Easy

    Easy Boban Only Fan
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2002
    Messages:
    36,689
    Likes Received:
    27,139
    That's weird. If we aren't that talented and are shooting at such a low efficiency, how did we get to be a top 10 offensive team?
     
  11. a time to chill

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2012
    Messages:
    3,056
    Likes Received:
    5,700
  12. a time to chill

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2012
    Messages:
    3,056
    Likes Received:
    5,700
    Not everyone can have a Chip Engelland, but coaching is only one part of the equation. The players also need to put in the work. Many players that improve their shot aren't coached by their team. They hire their own coaches to help them work on it.
     
  13. KingCheetah

    KingCheetah Notable Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2002
    Messages:
    57,989
    Likes Received:
    50,868
    Actually the Rockets were...

     
    Deckard likes this.
  14. harold bingo

    harold bingo Efficiency Only Fan

    Joined:
    May 16, 2017
    Messages:
    3,930
    Likes Received:
    11,477
    What are we doing to these guys? This is crazy. Maybe our shooting coaches are double agents from other teams trying to sabotage our players?

    upload_2024-11-9_12-50-3.png

    On a serious note though, I think it's a shot quality problem. Maybe someone can look into this and confirm or show me I'm wrong, but I think other teams are able to get better shots for their shooters than we are. Jabari actually shot 46% last year on wide open 3s. Maybe we'd have a different perception of him as a shooter if we were able to generate more open 3s for him.
     
    Mathloom likes this.
  15. Dr of Dunk

    Dr of Dunk Clutch Crew

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 1999
    Messages:
    46,072
    Likes Received:
    32,505
    In terms of attempts, we're around middle of the pack in "wide-open" three pointers attempted. The NBA defines "wide open" as having the nearest defender at least 6 feet from the shooter on the shot attempt. This doesn't necessarily mean we take every wide open 3 available to us at that range, it just means we're middle of the pack in attempts of wide-open 3's. The problem is we currently have the second-worst percentage shooting them. We're around 32%. The NBA also has an "open" stat that says the nearest defender is 4-6 feet from the shooter. The Rockets are shooting 35% on those which puts them around 10-12 in the league.
     
    BaselineFade and harold bingo like this.
  16. Easy

    Easy Boban Only Fan
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2002
    Messages:
    36,689
    Likes Received:
    27,139
    I think @heypartner pointed out that a step back shot was often counted as wide open by the tracking device because the step back created wide separation from the defender. Yet a step back shot is considered to be one of the more difficult shots by commonsense. Not sure how much it affects the counting of the Rockets shots.
     
    snowconeman22 likes this.
  17. RB713

    RB713 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2024
    Messages:
    741
    Likes Received:
    905
    Reed had a more complex system in college. He’s confused with this and1 offense.
     
  18. heypartner

    heypartner Member

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 1999
    Messages:
    63,076
    Likes Received:
    57,589
    Nah, I don’t know this. For catch-n -shoot, I believe it is a measure of distance at point of receiving the pass. I have been told that it doesn’t matter how far behind the arc you. (Like, Eric Gordon is “wide open” bc he’s 4’ behind the line,,,haha)

    I don’t know how they measure shots off the dribble. To me, it makes sense that it’s “nearest defender” at point of release, because I don’t see how SportsVu cameras (which provide this data) could accurately know point of gathering for the shot. However, like you suggest, I would hope they could recognize ISO situations, and chart all of those as “very tight”, independent of how well the dribbler can get separation, after being covered “very tight”.

    think about the 2s this “nearest defender” stat also tracks.
     
    Easy likes this.
  19. rockets1995

    rockets1995 Member

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2011
    Messages:
    6,099
    Likes Received:
    7,228
    Reed is playing off ball at SG, which is a mistake, play him at PG.
    Reed needs more reps with Alperen Sengun pick and 3 point shot. Run plays for Reed. Reed needs 12 shots a Game.
     
    RB713 likes this.
  20. rockets1995

    rockets1995 Member

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2011
    Messages:
    6,099
    Likes Received:
    7,228
    Still waiting for Amen Thompson and Tari Eason to start over Jabari Smith and Dillon Brooks.
     
    Qan likes this.

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now