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I'm watching the MNF game

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by reggietodd, Oct 10, 2005.

  1. reggietodd

    reggietodd Contributing Member

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    Rothlisberger is so much better than David Carr.

    SD has been putting some pressure on him, he seems to sense it better and escape, move up in the pocket, or take off running in the right direction. He's not even the fastest guy in the world either and he seems to escape.

    I like to watch how quarterbacks act when they get pressured, I think that tells you a lot about them.
     
  2. reggietodd

    reggietodd Contributing Member

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    If our o-line is so bad, then how does DD run for 130 yards? And his second game over 100 this year. I remember people saying Emmitt Smith was only good because of his O-line so i'm guessing the same doesn't apply for our O-line and DD?
     
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    So if we put in Tony Bank instead for 1 game and he only gets 1-2 sacks

    IS our problem the OLINE then?? or David Carr
     
  4. tierre_brown

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    There's a big difference between run blocking and pass blocking. And yes Ben is a better QB right now...but having a serviceable O-line is a pretty big factor in that. Let Ben get knocked on his ass 76 times his rookie year, see how "composed" he'll be then. But you've already made up your mind DC is not the answer, nothing I can say to sway you. I'm not completely sold on DC but I don't think the "draft Leinart or Young #1 next year" plan is sound either.
     
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    David Carr=Gifford Nielson
     
  6. reggietodd

    reggietodd Contributing Member

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    You know I don't know what the problem is because I looked at Carr's stats in college and he wasn't really sacked all that much.

    I'm just a big football fan and its killing me that the Texans are this bad. I'm trying to make sense of it while watching this MNF game.
     
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    probably why we won't see T Banks anytime soon
    don't want no controversy

    Rocket River
     
  8. v3.0

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    I saw a couple of times Victor Riley just totally got beat by his man which led to a sack by that guy.

    Our o-line sucks at pass blocking, run blocking is easier, its just taking out aggression on your man and trying to beat him up while pass blocking is just sustaining a shield around you QB in which the OL is on his defensive heels. BTW, how much of that 130 yards is the OL ande how much is DD on his own? I wouldn't give total credit to the OL on that, as I have seroious questions about the talent level we have at those positions.

    Quite simply the team has given up on the coaching staff, they really have no heart, Dom Capers is a lameduck coach. No teamleaders on either side of the ball (Aaron Glenn and Jaime Sharper were them but the coaches thought you don't need teamleaders to inspire and push your teammates). Charles Casserly severely overestimating alot of the talent he's brought to this team, alot jn key positons.
     
  9. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Funny how they rarely do rollouts, where you move the pocket etc...

    Most of his are naked Rollouts designed to hit the TE....

    Capers is not doing Carr any favors.....

    DD
     
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    I noticed many times during the game against the Titans when the pocket around David Carr seemed to be fine but he would try to escape the pocket causing a sack. It looked like many of the sacks were his fault.
     
  11. gucci888

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    Great post Tierre, couldn't agree more.
     
  12. reggietodd

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    Yeah I think thats what i'm trying to say here. I noticed the pocket was ok and he just ran out of it and then got sacked. I recorded the game and ran thru it and noticed this very thing. Didn't someone say on an earlier post that people in the texans organization said the O-line was ok, but Carr was running into the sacks somehow?
     
  13. RocketFan007

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    Looks like Big Ben might be done for a while after that shot to the knee.
     
  14. VesceySux

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    Off topic, but... Freddie Prinze, Jr. and Brian Austin Green in the SAME TV series? Oh. Hell. No. That sitcom will suck so incredibly much, it may very well rip a hole in the space-time continuum and cause to universe to fold in on itself. (Think the ending of Poltergeist.)
     
  15. rezdawg

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    Why compare Carr to Big Ben?

    If you are going to do that, you may as well compare him to Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, D. McNabb, D. Culpepper, Michael Vick, etc....

    The only person you should compare David Carr to is Joey Harrington. Thats the only real other option the Texans had when taking Carr. Given the situation, the Texans had 2 choices, and they chose wisely, in my opinion. They couldnt have done better given the circumstances. Therefore, comparing Carr to any other quarterback is pointless.
     
  16. Joshfast

    Joshfast "We're all gonna die" - Billy Sole
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    What people seem to overlook is, that when David get sacked - it's usually by the front 4 or 3 push by the defense. That means EVERYONE is back in coverage and that leaves none of our receivers open. Other teams have to Blitz to get pressure on the QB and that leaves some holes in D that can be utilized, but since no teams have to blitz to sack Carr, they have maximum protection down field on top of that.

    What I don't understand is, how is drafting a college QB and putting him behind our line going to help? Leinert and Young have had great Olines their whole college careers, behind the Texans it would be basically the same outcome. I wouldn't be surprised if Leinert comes out and says he will not sign with the Texans if we draft him(ala Eli and the Chargers) because of our inability to protect Carr in the 4 YEARS he has been here.
     
  17. The Cat

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    Again, on the rare occasions Ben gets pressured, he's got more chances downfield. Because the Steelers have a good offensive line, they have to blitz multiple players to get to him... leaving less in coverage downfield. Not only is Carr pressured more than most quarterbacks, but teams rarely have to blitz to do so, leaving more men in coverage. Furthermore, Roethlisberger isn't pressured from all sides. It's one or two isolated men, but the rest of the pocket holds up so he has a lane to step into. With the Texans, it's usually the entire line collapsing, and there isn't any pocket for Carr to even think about stepping into.

    And, as many others have said, run blocking is entirely different from pass blocking.
     
  18. Rocket River

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    Actually . .. we could have gotten a QB in the supplemental draft
    and the the old Sacrificial QB take the lumps
    and drafted a Great RB
    or Defensive Linemen

    I just don't think you start with a QB
    esp considering you have nothing else in place really

    OH WAIT . . they had THE GREAT BUST-SELLI!!!! :rolleyes:

    Rocket River
     
  19. mateo

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    David Carr's knee isn't messed up, however.
     
  20. Toast

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    From what I saw of the Texans game, the interior line wasn't all that bad.

    I didn't see DD pick up a single blitz, though. He preferred to make himself a receiver over blocking the inside blitz.

    The tackles - on BOTH sides - were absolutely terrible. The Titans would line up in a 4-3, have their outside linemen line up a couple steps outside of the tackles, and just blow by them with speed. There was no pocket. And there was no roll-out, because the tackles could not protect the outside.
     

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