Edit: ALL FOR A "RANT" FORUM, SAY I. That's how many registered users there are on this board as of 12:12 AM on Thursday, November 7, 2002. The site you registered to was a Houston Rockets fan website. Those of you here by mistake can leave now and disregard anything that follows in this post. About 50 of you are registered just so you could come here and root against our team (yes, I'm talking about you, sonicblood). Still, more than 7,000 people are getting called out. Where should I start? Clutch. You're exempt because you'll ban me...plus you are a very objective poster with an even temper that keeps you from posting stupidity. Same for Jeff, DoD, Kagy...the Clutch crew. So the quantity of posters that I should call out here is still an insurmountable obstacle if I were to try and literally fulfill the obligations set on myself by this thread's title. But I can call myself out. Dallas' Posts Read all of these, as I have read all of yours. Tell me why I'm here. As for the 7,000 not yet exempted...my incessant post nears its point. If you've read this far, you already know where I'm going. But I'm gonna keep it Rockets related. The Houston Rockets are a basketball team. They are run by human beings. Their players are human beings. You are not better than a one of them when it comes to doing their job. Your job is being a fan. Fan is a word whose etymology shows a kinship to "fanatic." That we are. But fanatic doesn't mean "person blinded by absurd agitation." What I mean is I'm more tired with pissed-off posters than said posters are tired of the Rockets antics. This site is here for you to express your feelings on your team, but your feelings have been heard. Add something to this site instead of taking so much away like you have been. Consider yourself called out. ____________________________________________________ BTW, please reply to this thread alongside a posting of your username searched.
Oh, and I encourage flaming. I want to see where everybody's heart lies. If my post was too abrasive for you, I apologize while letting it be known that every other post I read in this forum is abrasive to me.
This "crap" is actually kind of entertaining. Its a good place to vent frustration. The only reason people are so riled up is because they love the team so much. Why show so much emotion if you're apathetic to the teams fate?
Exactly. I love the Rockets as much as anyone. But if the team, players or coaches are doing/playing in a way that I dont agree with I am going to let it be known. I am generally not negative, but I will let it be known when I think it should be. What else is the BBS for? I love this place. Now the constant repeditive threads about Francis and some other players is getting very old, but hopefully that will die down eventually. The Summit's posts
Excellent post. I feel your frustration, but peoples crazy opinions are part of the territory on this site. You gotta take the good along with the bad here.
What do you expect of people when their head coach is a moron: It's not training camp for the other guys; that's the whole thing," Tomjanovich said. "We've got to go where the team is right now and work on the things that the team needs. (Yao) is tired. I tried to get him to take a day off, but he didn't want to sit down. The bozo guards don't pass to a 7'6" center when the son of a b**** is standing up under the basket. Our team is stupid. And now our coach doesn't have patience to bring along the ONLY CHANCE THIS TEAM HAS to reach the offseason? YEE, HEE, 70% of our shots will come from... BA-BOM-BOM-BOM, you guessed it, turn'r and jack. btw, I'm pretty sure that the Jazz will trade one Deshawn Stevenson for Yao Ming. That seems to fit ****ing Rudy the r****d's game plan, so what do you think?
Isn't a venting venue for pissed off fans what this place is for? ........... although I'm not one of them. Without fans, Rockets will not exist. Without Rockets, Fans can go on their normal life............I hope.
I agree that all of the negative commenting is getting out of hand. It's sometimes hard to come on the bbs and see nothing but criticism. It would definitely be nice for people to point out some of the positive things they are seeing from this team, including myself. Nonetheless, it is everyone's right, as a Rocket's fan (fanatic) to voice his or her opinions regarding the team. If the overall impression of the Rox is negative, as we have all witnessed the past two weeksor so, there must be something wrong with the team itself. Otherwise, so many people would not be so upset. So keep voicing your opinions, whether they be constructive statements, or a bashfasts. I just hope we see enough positive elements from this team, that us fan[atics] can comment on them more regularily, and thuroughly.
Is Achebe one of the guys you were talking about for the poll, then yes, I am tired of the crap. Fans will always be three ways, positive, negative and objective. Rarely do you see a fan switch from one to the other. I am just sick of reading the extreme view points. (Change everything/disban the team/everything is perfect why are we worried) I've been guilty of being too positive I guess. I can see where people are frustrated, but post a solution that is somewhat reasonable.(ie no more freaking trades that get rid of our nucleus) I with you dallas and not just the crap that fans from other teams bring in here. Some of us suck too.
i love the rockets, and my life sucks a great deal more since all FoxSports shows here in San Marcos is damn spurs games!!!! unfortunately, im a pessimist by nature. so if you dont like it...... go f*ck yourself
I hear you, but I don't know if starting this thread accomplishes anything. I'd like to take this time (once again) to point people to an excellent post of Nolen's (see my sig). Rather than venting about the negativity on the board, how about if people suggest positive things they'd like to see more of? You know, make some constructive suggestions, instead of just gripe. I'll start. I'd like to see... - More discussion of basketball, more technical breaking down of what's being seen on the court. God knows I wish I could contribute to this, but I've played very little organized ball, and so I rely entirely on those who have to lead interesting discussions on how the Rockets are playing, what they're doing well, not so well, etc. - More inside info, random opportunities to talk with players or observations from having seen them in person (Eddie's gotten buff, etc.) - More game action pictures, but preferably links rather than the JPEGs themselves, to save server space. - More diplomatic communication. You have a problem with someone/something, try not to get bent out of shape about it and post from your head, not from your heart. - Less venting and bashing, or at least have such venting, bashing consolidated into a few threads. We have an official game thread. How about official "The Problem With Player/Coach X..." threads? - Less commenting on game action or diagnoses of the team by posters who haven't been watching the games. I think myths become stronger this way. I'm guilty of contributing to this. - Less flaunting of senior member status, post count, picking on newbies, unwarranted bashing of fans from other teams. There's no question that we have a lot more trolls now. But fighting 12-year-old posts with more 12-year-old talk doesn't help. I'm learning that ignoring stupid posts is the single most effective way to minimize their impact. - Less posting, period. Too many people including myself post first, think second. Server space costs money that Clutch doesn't want to ask us for. While I'm all for supporting this site any means appropriate, particularly monetarily, I think posting quality rather than quantity means much more to Clutch and this community than merely making a donation and then saying "now I can post anything I want." Seriously, before I post, at least half the time, I ask myself, "is what I'm writing really worth sharing with the thousands of people who frequent this site?" And you know what, I delete a significant percentage of my posts before I click the SUBMIT button. Something to think about.
Maybe you should let that be the topic of a thread. How many posters have accumulated thousands of posts over the past 5 months? Would you consider that quality or post count?
Listen man...I can understand your frustration. The problem is that this place is FOR people to throw stuff around...negative stuff...positive stuff...informative stuff...all kinds of stuff. If every post were positive...then there would be no need for this forum...there'd be nothing to talk about.
I dont see where ANYONE has suggested that criticism is bad..,There just seems to be an overload of senseless, junior high level bashing going on..!!!!
I think people are talking about the disproportionately negative stuff after 4 games. There has always been negativity, but it's been insane the first 4 games, and hell, we won 2 of them!
Dallas, I suspect everybody (including me) is somewhere in between Yes and No to your question. I voted No simply b/c I am closer to No than Yes. I think some of you are too negative about the negativity thing. Some of the oldies are too threatened (or whatever) by the influx of newbies after the Ming thing happened. No, I'm not tired of the "craps." I'm just tired of the volume of it. That is, I think some topics or ideas ("guards don't pass" "____ sucks" etc.) are voiced too many times. And, yes, this negativity thing is also fast becoming one. We don't need to see everybody's opinion in posts. That's why I think the polling thing is great. Consolidate opinions of an issue w/o having people posting everywhere. I don't mind people being negative about players or coaches. I just want them to be more discipline in staying in one thread to discuss one issue intead of creating new threads with similar stuff. BTW, I think this "neggie" thing should be best discussed in Macbeth's thread. (http://bbs.clutchcity.net/php3/showthread.php?s=&postid=623274#post623274) But I like your idea of using the poll to organize the opinions. There is a difference between bashing/hating and critique. Pointing out negative elements in a game even when winning is not necessarily bashing/hating, as some of you seem to be thinking. This forum should be a place to discuss what we see in players and games. Maybe we should ask Clutch to setup a "negativity rating" system next to every thread title. You know, like movies or video games. S for sunshiny homerism; C for cheering crowd; O for objective critique; R for frustration ranting; H for hatred and bashing. So the parents can make informed decision whether they should let their children read the thread or not.
Everyone living in the Houston area should not be surprised by the behavior in this forum. I'm 26 years old and as far back as I can remember Houston fans have always been the same. When the team is winning, Houston fans are the most active and supportive fans you can find. However, Houston fans are also well documented as straying off and criticizing whenever our teams aren't playing well. Not like normal fans, but to greater extremes. I wish our fans were more loyal to these teams. I wish Houston fans were supportive even when the team isn't doing so well. Look at Sacramento fans. They had continuous sell-out crowds even before they were any good. The Knicks too. They haven’t had a very good team in a while and they just finally didn't sell-out a game for the first time in ten years. Hell, I just wish the Rockets could sell-out a game once when its not the playoffs. I think being a true fan means that you stick with your team no matter what. You don't bash them ever, but instead suggest methods of improvement in play. Their is no reason to suggest trades, because that is the same as giving up on your team, not to mention its a pointless possibility. You don't have to be a pessimist in life, trust me, you're wasting your time if you are. Nothing productive ever comes from pessimism, remember that. That's my opinion. I hope it makes sense to some fans in this forum.
