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If you were GM what moves would you make August 1st.

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Possum, Jul 22, 2005.

  1. Possum

    Possum Member

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    First thing I would do is try a Sign and Trade w/Portland
    Deke sign him to a 1yr deal
    Wesley
    James

    For
    Stoudamire

    Seems like a decent package. This would give Port 3 decent players/people at a fair price and they all would come off the books next year. I really like Deke but if trading a backup player is beneficial to the teams progress then so be it. Also Stro can play C when needed.

    Players I would let go
    Ward

    Free agents I would try to sign
    Earl Watson
    Wesley Person
    Kevin Willis
    Rodney White

    Earl Watson: Younger version of Mike James who could Learn from and maybe eventually take over for Stoudamire. Remeber James is opting out after next year.

    Wesley Person: Would combine with Sura to give us a better SG rotation than last year.

    Kevin Willis: Could perform same role as Deke for min. Also Stro can play C when needed.

    Rodney White: Young athletic looks like he could be had for Min.

    Our FA I would not resign
    Barry If we could get Wesley Person
    Bowen
    Padgent

    Roster
    C Ming, Willis
    PF Stro, Howard, Weatherspoon, Baker
    SF TMack, White
    SG Sura, Person, Head
    PG Stoud, Watson, Norris

    Weatherspoon and Baker only stay for their ending contracts. White, Head and Watson Give us youth and athleticism of the bench. Stoudamire, Sura and Persons give us solid veteran leadership.
     
  2. seclusion

    seclusion rip chadwick

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    um...deke is the last one of our roleplayers that I would trade.
    he was the best backup center in the league last season and will likely be the same this year.

    secondly, I highly doubt you will see head playing sg. wesley person is terrible, and jon barry will be resigned.
     
  3. LFE171

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    Barry and Deke are staying! :mad:

    rest of analysis seems good though. Very different, but good. :)
     
  4. Rockets2K

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    Barry is on the record as saying he either plays for the Rockets or he retires.
    Deke has also made noises about not wanting to go anywhere else but here.

    try again
     
  5. sjackson0

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    I wouldn't make those moves........saying that the nicest way I know how. Oooh wait....don't forget the :p face

    Deke and Barry are keepers.

    Portland will only make a sign and trade unless we take a bad contract in return. They are looking to get younger and richer.

    We would have to trade either Spoon, Baker, Moochie or Wesley (all expiring contract) along with a 2nd round pick or something like that

    For a resigned Might Mouse and a Derick Anderson or Ruben Patterson
     
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  6. Derek James

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    Agreed, Deke is the last (bench) player we can afford to loose.

    What I would do... Sign J. Kidd to LLE. ;)
     
  7. mogrod

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    Hmmmm, ok...

    1) Trade Wesley + Baker + maybe a pick(s) to Bucks for D. Mason.

    2) Trade James + maybe a pick(s) to LA for Jaric

    or

    expiring contract(s) + maybe a pick(s) for Stoudemire

    3) Re-sign Deke & Barry

    4) Sign Glover and Baxter off summer league team

    Stoudemire or Jaric/Sura
    Mason/Barry
    TMac/Glover
    Swift/Howard/Baxter
    Yao/Deke

    Maybe re-sign Bowen as a 3rd-tier combo-forward.

    Still have Ward & Weatherspoon to trade as expiring contracts later.
     
  8. baller4life315

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    Desmond Mason is coming off a career year in Milwaukee, I find it very unlikely they would consider Wesley, Baker and "maybe" a pick(s) adequete value for a 17 point per game scorer.
     
  9. mogrod

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    I would agree but I was putting what I would do if I were GM.

    It's a minor pipe dream but the fact that they signed Simmons (more than likely to be a starter) means that he could be expendable for the simple fact of how much he is being paid to be a backup. Also, doesn't seem to me that they see him in their long-term plans because they went out and got another SF. They have used alot of money this offseason and could be persuaded to take on expiring contracts, one of which (Wesley) could be a nice backup for them.
     
  10. Willis25

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    did you just sugest the Rox trade Deke and sign short-armed, Willis AND pick up Wesley Person !?!?! :confused:

    what, being to oldest team in the league last season isnt' enough for you, you want the team to have to play pre-season games on the legends circuit :rolleyes:


    Possum as GM...

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  11. Possum

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    Keyword there is backup. I respect Deke more as a person than anyone in the NBA but if he helps bring us DS and can be replaced for the min with Willis and factor in that SS can play min at Center we should do it.

    I dont know about Head. In the summer leauge he only played PG one game so who knows what there going to do with him.

    Person and Barry are very similar players. Person is better shooter FG% .473 to Barrys FG% .438 and Person 3P% .461 to Barrys 3P% .430 and Person is 2 years younger so dont see why you think so highly of Barry and so badly of Person.
     
  12. Willis25

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    Good GMs don't shake up 51 win teams... they just add and subtract pieces
     
  13. Nero

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    Well, we are going to have a minimum of 4 new faces on this team this year, and likely one or two more than that.. and that is to start the season.

    Adding:

    Head
    Swift
    Baxter
    Glover

    (and possibly)

    DS
    DA


    Ok then, that means that 4 - 6 guys on last year's squad will not be returning.

    Scotty the Body is gone. That's one. Swift takes his spot.

    Baxter gets Braggs' spot. That's two.

    Glover will probably get Bowen's spot. That's three.

    That is three of the five FAs we have. Deke and JB will probably be back, with the swing spot being Barry. Barry is an extremely valuable guy to have though, so I would bet on him coming back, at least a one-year deal.

    So that means some guys with contracts have got to go.

    We definitely have dome deadwood on the roster. Baker, Ward, Norris in particular.

    So it really boils down to a few important questions:
    1) How badly do we want to do a deal for Damon? Would we be willing to take on another bad contract such ad DA's, and also have to lose two of our valuable expiring contracts in the process?

    2) How badly do we want to keep JB? Keeping him might mean the difference between being able to make some moves and not being able to.

    3) What do we see as potentially being available at the Trade Deadline that could help us and could be had for our one or two remaining expiring contracts?

    The sad fact is, the spot that Head is guaranteed to get may very well end up being the one that Barry occupied. Because a S&T with Potland will likely send two players to receive two, so that's a wash.

    That leaves only one more of the the three remaining expiring contracts to jettison, in order to keep JB.

    Now, tihs assumes that JVG wants to keep all three of Sura, wesley, and James. Obviously, this may not end up being the case. Sura is likely to stay here, because he has multiple years left on his contract. Wesley probably will not generate many takers, because of his age. That leaves James as the under-contract guy with the tradeable value.

    So then that creates another question: In order to keep an expiring contract, and still consummate a S&T with Potland, we would in essense likely be swapping Damon for James - gaining a starter, but losing a valuable bench scorer and high-energy guy. Would we be willing to do that. MJ is still young, and we really have not seen what he can contribute until we see what he does with a whole training camp with the team under his belt. Yes, you have to give up some quality to get quality in return, and we DO have a glut of guards, so this may end up being just a bitter pill to have to swallow. I would rather send Wesley away than James, but I doubt we could pull that off.


    So, Do I, as GM, do the following, yes or no:

    Do I trade James and/or Wesley plus Baker or Mooch or Ward to Potland for DS and most likely DA? Yes, I do.

    Do I decide to keep Barry, thus mandating that I give one of my remaining expirings his outright release (likely Ward)? Yes. (caveat: I have not myself, nor have I seen, any projesctions as to who is likely to be available to be had mid-season for an expiring contract. Depending on who might be there, this might ultimately determine whether or not JB can stay. However, a bird in the hand is worth two in te bush, so to speak, and until such time as we see that 'so-and-so' might be available, I say keep Jon.)

    So, knowing that we have 15 roster spots this year, this leaves us with:

    1) TMac
    2) Yao
    3) Swift
    4) DS
    5) Sura
    6) Howard
    7) Head
    8) Spoon
    9) James
    10) Deke
    11) DA
    12) Baxter
    13) Glover
    14) Barry
    15) and one remaining 'deadwood' guy, either Baker, Mooch, or Ward.

    Would I be willing to go into battle with that team? Yeah, I would. It leaves us kind of thin at the backup 3, and backup 1 would have to be by committee,, but everything else would be sweet.. I know I would not want to have to play against this team.

    All that said, this is a complex offseason, for sure. We have some opportunities, and the above does not even address the possibilities of dark-horse scenarios such as Jaric or Sarunas. No matter how it works out, though, I cannot wait for the season to get under way! WOOHOO
     
  14. Possum

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    Quick math lesson, Person is 2 years younger than Barry who I suggeted he replace. White is 5 years younger than Bowen, Watson is 4 years younger than James. Willis is a few years older than Deke but since no one really knows how old he is thats open to debate. So anyway you look at it the team I'm suggesting is younger than Last years team so would you lkike to try again? :rolleyes:
     
  15. Possum

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    :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

    NERO good post makes since. I consider James and Deke our most tradeable assets. Thats why I packaged them with Wesley's expiring contract for the S@T.

    the reason I kept Weatherspoon and Baker is for bait at the trading dreadline. I hoping thats where we'll be able to pick up our SG OF THE FUTURE.
     
  16. Mav-Hater

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    While we are suggesting proposterous trades.

    How about Keith Jones and our 2022 2nd rounder for Kobe and Lamar. We will throw our expiring contracts to make the deal work

    Next, sign Dominique the LLE of 1.7. He's only 46 and could do what Barry does plus I think he can still dunk and barry can't.

    For rebounding, Mo Malone is here in town and Vets minumum is all we'll need plus he can do what Deke does at a lower cost and teach Yao to rebound.

    Did I miss anything? We should be set
     
  17. m_cable

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    Stoud

    For

    Deke
    James
    Wesley

    WTF. Salarywise that's probably 9-10 million in outgoing salary for Houston. Don't tell me that you want to pay Stoudamire upwards of 7 million bucks. When did Damon Stoudamire gain so much value on this board. Everywhere I turn there's a post trying to sign and trade for him. The guy is going to turn 32, is undersized, and is coming off an $81 million contract. His value is maybe around 3 mill. If he really wants to play in Houston then let him take a slight paycut to 1.7 mill.

    Stoudamire is exactly the type of guy that should be taking paycuts. He's a veteran with a couple of years left. He's already made some crazy dollars in this league, and supposedly he might want to get with a winner before he retires. I say LLE or bust. Or at the most we sign and trade for Moochie and give him a 3 year 10 million dollar deal.
     
  18. xomox

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    careful willis25, the unauthorized use of mini Donald Trump or a likeness thereof will get you sued.
     
  19. declan32001

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    ??? Glover and Baxter are a lock? I don't even think Head's a certainty although it will screw us up if he's not ready.

    From what we've read Baxter may have a few invitations to training camps and as things stand here he might not have a chance to play anything but garbage minutes if he made the team.

    Glover would have to have one hell of a camp for us to sign him and then send him to the NBDL, much less give him a roster spot.

    Possum, there's a good chance Portland wants to jettison DS and you want to give them Wesley (valuable and expiring contract), James (probably our best trade bait) and Deke for Stoudamire?

    I'd rather pay Spanoulis 3 million and pray for rain.
     
  20. jopatmc

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    I'd work a S&T with Portland to go down on August 31st when Miles BYC expires. I'd send them Spoon/Wesley/Future #1 pick/$3 mill cash/ and their choice of either Juwon or some combo of James/Mooch/Ward for a resigned Stoudamire, Ruben Patterson, and Darius Miles.


    That would give us a very solid rotation of TMac, Yao, Swift, Stoudamire, and Patterson/Miles matching up at the swing position.

    Then resign Barry and Deke.

    I want to see TMac, Swift, and Miles on the floor with a PG that can penetrate, distribute, and knock the bottom out of the net. I think Miles can play the 2/3 defensively and interchange with TMac to take the heat off him. On offense I think Miles can play the short wing 3 position. He has a good jumper from the elbow down to the baseline and he's big enough to get that off even against the best defending 3's. That leaves McGrady being guarded by the 2 guard, mismatch. Plus for certain matchups, we could bring in Patterson as the designated Koby pesterer, or to get physical with Manu. Our defense would be awesome with Van Gundy working Swift, Miles, and Patterson into shape.
     

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