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If wish I knew more about Goldman Sachs or at least worked for them

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rhester, Oct 19, 2011.

  1. rhester

    rhester Member

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    With all the talk about the economy, I don't know how true this article is, or how corrupt our banking system operates, but these issues really don't get any play from govt.

    I think our banking system, and Wall Street deserves just as much blame and scrutiny regarding our economic problems as taxation, pork projects, and budget cuts.

    "Today’s Goldman Sachs earning reports provides a valuable lesson on how things really work inside Wall Street’s largest investment houses. Goldman Sachs had an awful three months, losing $428 million in the third quarter of 2011, and yet it continued to shovel billions into the bonus pool it will share with its employees at year’s end.

    Through the first nine months of 2011, Goldman set aside $10 billion in its compensation fund. If Goldman’s 30,000 employees split that bounty evenly, that would work out to $333,000 per person—plus the billions more Goldman will no doubt set aside in the last few months of the year.

    Of course, the receptionist inside Goldman Sachs doesn't receive the same pay as all those analysts and other midlevel suits making salaries of $400,000 a year or more. Moreover, chieftains like Goldman CEO Lloyd Blankfein, who received $13 million in compensation last year, won’t have to share their year-end bonuses with as many people as last year. The bank laid off 1,300 employees in the third quarter of the year and plans on jettisoning another 1,000-plus jobs in the coming months.

    Still, there are no doubt plenty of frowns inside Goldman today. For one thing, this was only the second time the investment bank has reported a quarterly loss since going public in 1999. For another, though this year promises to be a fat one, it won’t be as rich as 2010.

    That $10 billion lags last year’s bonus pool—by 24 percent. But then the company’s profits per share through the first nine months of the year were down more than 70 percent compared with 2010—and Goldman's stock since the start of the year has fallen by 43 percent.

    But that’s the beauty of working at a major investment bank. Performance doesn’t matter nearly as much as just showing up. Goldman booked $13 billion in pre-tax profits in 2010—a steep drop from the $20 billion the bank booked in 2009. Despite a precipitous drop in profits between 2009 and 2010 and a stock stuck in neutral throughout the year, the Goldman board of directors raised Blankfein’s base salary to $2 million, up from $600,000, and showered an extra $13 million in stock grants on Blankfein and his executive team.

    Not bad for the executives of a bank forced to pay a $550 million fine after being accused by the SEC of duping its clients by selling them shares of a mortgage-backed security they allowed a hedge firm to secretly hand-pick. Still, this is hardly like the fat and happy subprime-mortgage days, when Goldman was buying toxic subprime mortgages and selling them to unsuspecting clients. In 2007, the year before the economic collapse, Blankfein made $68 million in stock and bonus money.

    Is it any wonder the Occupy Wall Street crowd might think there’s something rotten about the system? "

    http://news.yahoo.com/goldman-execs-stay-fat-happy-170700911.html

    So tell me if this company evil or just nicely managed?
     
  2. sbyang

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    Believe it or not, Goldman has a fantastic reputation when compared to other banks. They are known as a bank that values hard work and rewards performance. So at least the management team has that going for them....

    Also, sometimes banks offer certain traders contracts that are performance based. If the traders make a certain amount then the banks must give that bonus. This might explain the huge bonus figure a little better.
     
  3. rimrocker

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    The evil is banal.
     
  4. mc mark

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    I worked for Goldman for the first three years I was in the city. They fired me after they found out I defaulted on a student loan.

    GS is evil
     
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  5. Icehouse

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    The thing with banks and their bonuses is their employees often have lower salaries as a trade off for the bonus. Granted, the employee takes the risk that the bonus won't come, but if the firm just stops them then the employees will leave, and the banks assets are truly it's people.
     
  6. rhester

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    This is the part that sounded evil ' Still, this is hardly like the fat and happy subprime-mortgage days, when Goldman was buying toxic subprime mortgages and selling them to unsuspecting clients. In 2007, the year before the economic collapse, Blankfein made $68 million in stock and bonus money.'

    I remember things like this-

    "Goldman Sachs, among other Wall Street banks, and certain of favored hedge fund clients that were tipped off by the banks, reaped huge profits by shorting (betting against) “synthetic” collateralized debt obligations (CDOs) linked to residential mortgages, which the banks created and sold to other clients, according to Gretchen Morgenson and Louise Story in their New Times article, “Banks Bundled Bad Debt, Bet Against It and Won.”
    To say the least, the conduct created a huge conflict of interest between Goldman and its “sucker” clients, and violated securities laws and regulatory rules, including the “fair dealing” requirement of the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority (FINRA), which is responsible for regulating the sales practices of such firms.
    From 2005 through 2007, Goldman issued billion of these CDOs, according to Dealogic, a financial data firm. These CDOs include Abacus and Hudson Mezzanine, which were created and sold by Goldman. The CDOs consisted of credit default swaps, a type of insurance that pays out when a borrower defaults. The swaps made it much easier to place large bets on mortgage failures. Just 18 months after Goldman created Hudson Mezzanine, so many borrowers had defaulted that holders of the security paid approximately $310 million to Goldman and others who shorted it, according to the article.
    “The simultaneous selling of securities to customers and shorting them because they believed they were going to default is the most cynical use of credit information that I have ever seen,” said Sylvain R. Raynes, an expert in structured finance at R & R Consulting in New York. “When you buy protection against an event that you have a hand in causing, you are buying fire insurance on someone else’s house and then committing arson.”
    As Morgenson and Story point out, the banks saw the mortgage meltdown coming and made the financial crisis worse than it might otherwise have been, effectively multiplying losses by providing more securities to bet against."

    http://www.investmentfraudlawyerblog.com/2010/04/wall_street_firms_bet_against.html
     
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  8. txppratt

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    one of my roommates got an analyst gig with them when he graduated (he's almost too smart for his own good) and he told me he got paid squat. (he quit a few months ago)

    i guess early after college, they pay analysts ****. GS makes analysts pay their dues to work their way up.

    of course, his point of view on this whole Occupy Wall Street thing is that Goldman Sachs hasn't done anything wrong.

    which is kind of like an Exxon Mobil employee saying that Exxon Mobil doesn't make profit on consumer fuel purchases. (my dad worked his whole career for exxon mobil and tried to tell me this - uh... ya right dad)

    it's all about your point of view and how you've been taught.
     
  9. Phillyrocket

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    This is actually true and it's why both Exxon and now Chevron are exiting the consumer fuel business. When was the last time you saw an Exxon station?
     
  10. subtomic

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    Um, pretty much every day here in Houston and one at least every 20 miles the last time I drove between Houston and Dallas.
     
  11. txppratt

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    there's two within a few miles of my house. they're newer stations actually, built brand new in the last couple years.

    my dad and i went the rounds on this...

    i never worked for Exxon Mobil and don't pretend to know why they cant make a profit on consumer gasoline sales when...

    other companies do and with far less influence and resources. exxonmobil has set world records for total gross profits but aren't capable of making profits from the consumer gasoline sales they and everyone else have been enjoying during the last 10 years??

    exxonmobil may be changing their business model to focus their efforts on research and develpment because its more profitable, or because they are slimming down since the merger, but it ain't cause the profits ain't there.

    in the end i think exxonmobil would have a hard time selling most people on the concept there's no money in consumer fuel. *end rant, in no way directed at anyone
     
  12. glynch

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    Hey, how much do the receptionists get as a bonus? Inquiring minds want to know?
     
  13. SamFisher

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    I get this, but the disconnect is that profits are down at GS this year because trading profits are way down (insofar as they operate more as a casino now than a traditional bank) and it appears that the bonus pool isn't shrinking in a proportional amount - in other words, it's only "performance based" if they're successful, when they're not...no biggie.

    I don't personally care, if GS wants to pay its people more after having a bad year, let them - if I were a GS shareholder (thank god I'm not) I'd be upset, probably.
     

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