What package do you put together? Or do you even consider it? I'd trade Cato/Walt/Drew/KT + picks if necessary for Taylor/Maggette/Kandi. We get rid of two large contracts. We get 3 talented young players that fill positions that we have a need for. The Clipps might get the better deal in the swap of centers if Cato has truely rededicated himself & this might be the part that makes them pull the trigger on the deal. The Clipps get a starting PG (for them, not us), an adequate (& cheap) PF, an experienced SF, possibly an upgrade at center, & if we have to, extra picks. What ideas do the rest of you have? ------------------
I would do that trade if we replaced the exception instead of the pix. I have heard that the Clips already have too many players, so they probably are looking to go 3 for 2, or 4 for 3 (Sterling does not want to pay a player he has to release). I think a deal of Cato/Drew/exception might be enough for Mo/Kandi/Nesby (although I would much rather have Maggette). ------------------
I don't think Taylore likes playing with Olowokandi, so bringing them both over here would be a massive mistake... I think sending Drew + KT and using the exception to take back 3 players might work but having said that, I don't think that the clips want to sign and trade Mo and I don't think we want to take on MORE salaries. ------------------
How about Walt,Los,Drew for Mo and Cory? We would have a bad ass lineup. Cato Taylor Maggette Anderson/Mobley Franchise record 48-34
Taylor was the genius who said in February that he wouldn't do a sign-n-trade with the Clips. He didn't want the Clips to get anything for him and that would be his way to spite them. Now he needs the Clips to do a sign-n-trade so he can get more money. The Clippers don't want/need Rockets odd-n-ends to sit on their bench. They have acquired young players that need to play. I just listened to a Seattle call in show on the Net and the show host projected Taylor to come off the bench behind Baker and Rashard. There won't be enough minutes in that for him to shine and hit a big payday next summer. Is Falk trying to run a game on teams in these negotiations? Of course he is. Mango ------------------ 1. Put new topics in the proper forum 2. Use clear wording for new threads 3. No duplicate threads 4. Conduct yourself as an adult The Serious Police are watching Donate Blood or be assimilated! [This message has been edited by Mango (edited August 11, 2000).]
UT Baller I think you're right about the exception instead of picks. How about this instead. We get Taylor/ Maggette/Kandi/Nesby for Cato/Walt/Drew + exception. They get to dump some players & payroll. We can then trade Nesby or KT for a future pick. I believe that Cato & Kandi's salaries are about the same & Walt's salary would be offset by the exception. That would mean that they get rid of Maggette & Nesby for Drew. Any capologists out there that can confirm this? ------------------
A sign-n-trade for Taylor would mean that he gets more money than the Mid-Level exception that has been proposed. Taylor apologists have been saying that his rebounding & defense will improve once he is away from the Clippers. That is not written in stone and it is a huge gamble to give him a long term contract for more money. Mango ------------------ 1. Put new topics in the proper forum 2. Use clear wording for new threads 3. No duplicate threads 4. Conduct yourself as an adult The Serious Police are watching Donate Blood or be assimilated! [This message has been edited by Mango (edited August 11, 2000).]
Mango-It'd depend on how long term. I'd take a 3 year deal at 4.5 mill for Mo Taylor (and that fixes the "he'll jet" theory too), as if we did it via sign and trade, he wouldn't be BYC (Clippers under cap, and thus easier to get rid of if he stinks it up), and it's not long enough we'd be screwed. It'd also give us time to work with him next offseason (a la Cato), if his rebounding/D is still bad. ------------------ The Serious Police are watching. Follow the rules or be assimilated. Shandon is underrated.
If the Clipps went for the deal, we'd have the small forward that we need & could totally focus on the stud PF we need in next years draft. Does anyone think we could then turn around & trade Nesby & other considerations (maybe Taylor) to Chicago for Fizer or am I sleep typing? I think it has become painfully obvious that I want to do some wheeling & dealing. Who cares if it is realistic or not? ------------------
I definetely would not want to trade Walt Williams or Kelvin Cato. Walt Williams was hot towards the last 15 games which indicates he will continue to be hot next season. Kelvin Cato was our only healthy center towards the last 20 games. He is a good shot-blocker and did well defensively against Shaq when we had to play the Lakers. ------------------
I REALLY don't think the clips want to do a sign a trade... they didn't do one with Anderson because they have about 20 players on contract at the moment (does that have to be reduced to 12, or can they start the year with players on IR?? Oh well 15 then...) And if we WERE to do a sign and trade (even though it's unlikely), here's something to think about: Mo turned down 6mill a year from the raptors... so if he was to be involved in a sign and trade one would think that he would be signing for MORE than 6mill per (which he's just not worth!!). Let's not forget that the guy wants the MAX(yes, he IS dreaming!!) and the reason he's going to play for an exception this year is because he's aiming to get the max next year. Maybe Falk is holding out so that he can see just how bad the rockets and sonics want Taylor... if we're willing to pay the max he might try get a sign and trade organised... ------------------
My guess, is if it's a sign and trade, it will be for the exception plus a pick (or maybe picks), for the reason they don't want to take on any contracts. Maybe they'd take KT or Drew instead of picks, but I doubt it. The good (or maybe bad?) thing about a sign and trade, is we'd have Mo for 3 seasons (all S/Ts must be at least 3 seasons) at a very reasonable rate, and then have his bird rights. No one is offering him 6 mill now. The only team left that can is Chicago, and they already have Brand and Fizer. If Mo tries to get over 6 mill this season, forget it. I feel 6 mill is about what his market value is. This coming season could improve, or shoot down that mark. ------------------ The Serious Police are watching. Follow the rules or be assimilated. Shandon is underrated.
NIKEstrad, 6 million a year for Taylor? He doesn't have that type of leverage at this point in time. Mango ------------------ 1. Put new topics in the proper forum 2. Use clear wording for new threads 3. No duplicate threads 4. Conduct yourself as an adult The Serious Police are watching Donate Blood or be assimilated!
At this point, no, he doesn't. But, hypothetically, let's say all the owners had unlimited cap space and money, and owners "bid" up to what they believed to be the player's actual value. I don't think 6 mill would be too far off. ------------------ The Serious Police are watching. Follow the rules or be assimilated. Shandon is underrated.
How about this then? We trade Drew/KT/exception for Taylor/Maggette. Assuming Taylor accepts the 4.5 mill per (wink,wink), then Drew/KT would offset Maggette's salary. Is that possible? We get a starting PF & a starting SF. Both are young & would fit right in with the other youngsters. I also read that Rudy has made no bones about the fact that he wants Taylor. The Clipps get a young PF to replace Taylor, a starting PG & for all practical purposes take on no more salary. Is this correct capologists? They can then turn right around & trade some of the excess players for draft picks if they want to. Taylor is running out of options real fast. The longer he waits to make a decision, the less he's going to get. We might be able to sign him with the 2.25 mill exemption, with a little wink wink action, but I'd rather do the sign & trade if we get Maggette in the deal. Maybe I'm living in a dream world, but it makes so much sense for everyone involved. Except for KT. Banished to Clipperland. ------------------
I'm just curious but why does anyone think that the Clips would be interested in trading Maggette? If they're truly as smart as they seemed in the draft they're not just going to dump that potential, especially for what you're proposing. Personally I wouldn't trade anything for Drew. Guards are in excess in this league and they'd be settling for the bottom rung. The only thing I see them interested in is the exception and maybe some draft picks ------------------
How about Cato and some trade exception for Olowokandi and Taylor? ------------------ You ain't gotta like me, you just mad cause I tell it how it is, and you tell it how it might be.
