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If Tonight's Ming Showed Up Every Night...

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by solid, Nov 26, 2005.

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  1. solid

    solid Member

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    The Rockets would not be 3-11. Ming can do it, when he DECIDES to, when he WANTS to, regardless of the defense, regardless whether he doubled or tripled. When he really wants it he is unstoppable. WHY OH WHY do we see this kind of passion and determination only two or three times a year? WHY? I am serious. He was tired, he was hurt, he had missed most of this shots, THEN he decides to become a relentless force, and he dominates the fourth until he fouls out. How can he look so clueless, so weak, so ineffective and then, explode into superman. Please explain this to me, I really want to understand. What is the trigger that sets him off, and why can't he pull it every game?
     
  2. lalala902102001

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    Yao is inconsistent. That's why he ain't a superstar.
     
  3. Kyrodis

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    Honestly, I don't even think Yao himself knows. You can tell that he gets frustrated with his own play a lot. He works his ass off trying to dominate every night. It's confusing to all the fans and probably to himself as well why he's capable of doing it on some nights...and not on other nights.

    Yao's inconsistency has been a problem since day one. It's the biggest shortcoming that keeps him from becoming more than a borderline all-star.
     
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    Yao's problem is that he is thinking too much. He's trying to make everything perfect instead of just going out there and letting everything go. I think most of that has to be fixed by Van Gundy.
     
  5. coolweather

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    Who decides who's a superstar?
     
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    He had a nice start to, but he taperd off in the 2nd and the 3rd quarter. i dont know what got into him, but i wish he would play like that more often.
     
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    ..."I"...
     
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    What we all witnessed tonight were flashbacks from the rookie game against Dallas, when I thought to myself, I am seeing something really special, a star is born, and there is no stopping him. Well, performances like that have been few, but tonight, suddenly, the Hall of Famer Ming made a brief appearance. I am just amazed when I see him do this after watching many, many very disappointing performances. If he can do it, he can do it, and if he knows he can do it, surely he would want to do it all the time. A conundrum. :confused:
     
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    Hey, it's my little gimp.
     
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    I'm just pointing out your improper use of the English language, don't get your panties tied in a knot.
     
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    Dont you have anything better to do?
     
  12. R0ckets03

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    Bingo

    I think Van Gundy is sort of holding him back instead of helping him though.
    Yao is thinking way too much, he is getting tired running around chasing guards and constantly setting picks.

    If we had some sort of a motion passing offense like Sacramento we would kick ass.
     
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    The defense that the Bulls had on Yao was weak! They tried to front, but chandler wouldn't commit to it like most small guys would do. Songalia was guarding him well. It's all about the defense. When T-mac is here they can't double and put as much attention and pressure on him. If we can just find a way to get past the fronting that most teams send at him, yao would be unstopable.
     
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    This question is perplexing . . .

    but this is what I observed

    everygame he plays is something like his first few games in the league
    He hasn't learned after 3 seasons how this league works (what he can get away with and what he can't, what shot he has high probablity of making and what shots not, what is a foul that is called on him 99% of the time and what won't be called on him, what kind of players he can cover and what players he should just leave alone (when on D) etc.


    He nevers takes momemtum and lessions learned from one game into the next game. If his hook shot or jumper is working in the previous night where he drops like 25 or 30 the next game or next couple those shots will abandon
    him and he will get like 10 or 13. The game where he drops 25 or 30 he was in a certain area and fought for great positioning by doing something that he can't remember the next game . ,. .

    regarding the fouls

    time and time again he has been rifled by certain fouls that the refs ALWAYS call on him

    like standing in the circle on D with his hands straight up, always a foul called on him but he has never learned to either go hard for the block even if it leads to the foul (which will be called on him anyways) or just back the f up and let the guy make the shot (rather than picking that foul)

    It is like he suffers from temporary amnesia.



    Again every game is like a new game like one of his first games in the league every play is new, every call is new (like he never heard of that foul called on him before) every low post play is like something new to him (hence he takes a freakin decade to decide on a move - which leads to turnovers) like he can't remember what he did the other night where he dropped 30, every defensive play is something new -like he never was called for the defensive foul before

    You can't have consitency (strong performances over a long stretch) if you can't learn the lessons of previous games and make adjustments to not repeat them (if there bad) and repeat them (if their good) .
     
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    I don't think it's just a matter of whether Yao "decides" to dominate or not. It has A LOT to do with what the opposing defense throws at him. With the Bulls, they were content on not fronting Yao. This allowed our guards to actually get him the ball in good scoring position most of the time. But if a team puts a smaller and quicker guy on Yao like the Suns did, and if they consistently front Yao, then he is very limited.

    As far Yao "deciding" to dominate, I think another big part of it has to do with focus and stamina. I've seen plenty of times when Yao has missed easy shots in the lane, especially at times that we needed it. He can make those shots, but he just needs to keep focused. In addition, his stamina has always been a limiting factor to his success. It was one of the reasons why he couldn't score well in the 4th Q in a few games this season. But I think he's getting used to playing bigger minutes, so hopefully he's taken care of that problem.
     
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    he tries very hard. Very very hard.
     
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    Tonight he got a lot of touches. The Bulls didn't work too hard to deny him the ball. When he gets a lot of touches, even when he doesn't score, he'll eventually get into a rhythm and go on a streak where he can't be stopped, scoring or passing. If teams limit his touches like Phoenix did, he tries to make something happen every time, all his shots go just a little bit off and he can't ever find his range. That's why I think it would be beneficial to have Yao shoot some elbow jumpers or take shots off pick-and-pops. At least he'd be getting involved in the game.
     
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    A stupid fool hides whatever he did in this game.
     
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    I applaud Yao for his tenacity and perserverance. His big man coach is Patrick Ewing. His head coach is JVG. Do you think other teams prepare for him after he has a big game?

    Don't you think they watch film and try to prepare for him?

    I think other teams defense are better prepared than our coaching staff chooses to prepare Yao for each game.

    What you may see as Yao not learning is likely a lack of preparation by his coaches.

    CD and Moses Malone help develop Hakeem. Yao does not have that depth of coaching at his disposal. I think CD is a capologist only right now. At least CD and an interested big man coach are needed for Yao.
    I am not slighting Yao in any way. I respect him.

    He tries his heart out and he deserves better support.
     
  20. ivanyy2000

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    I totally agree. What else has Yao improved from his rookie season, other than adding some muscles?

    Where is his mid-range jumpers? I mean, in his rookie season, he shot those jumpers better than a lot of guards. And the passing? the footwork? He still doesn't know how to avoid fouls, when to foul or not to foul.

    I blame it on himself and JVG.
     

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