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If the exception is so valuable, why didn't the Pacers use it

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by TheFreak, May 11, 2000.

  1. TheFreak

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    If I recall, Indiana received a trade exception in the Antonio Davis deal. To my knowledge, they haven't used it yet, or didn't use it and it's now wasted. A couple of questions I have are: Can they still use this exception even though they didn't this past off-season? and -- If not, and it's supposedly so valuable to other teams, why didn't they take advantage of it? Even if it is still carrying over, surely a team making a final run for a ring this year could have (before the season) found some use for something that is supposedly so valuable. I just know that if an entire off-season went by, and the Rockets didn't use their trade exception (like Indiana), this board would be fuming.

    note: If Indiana did in fact use their exception in a deal I have no knowledge of or have forgotten, I'll delete this thread as soon as someone makes me look stupid by pointing it out, as this topic would obviously then have no relevance.

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  2. heypartner

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    You might have to delete this thread...here's the headline

    "Raptors Trade Bender for Antonio Davis"
    Dated Aug 1st, 1999

    Their Trade Exception has not expired, it last for a year. They are indeed going to cut it pretty close, but that might have been a mistake in their timing of the trade, before they knew its beauty.

    Also remember this is the first year this exception has existed, right? So, teams are just now learning how to operate fully under the new CBA. From CD's own quotes, he is learning more each day how valuable it is beyond his original expectation of being just a by-product of a trade.

    btw: letting the exception expire converts it directly to less team salary. It doesn't hurt to not use it.

    You should try to understand how difficult salary matching is with the BYC rules, as a starting point in knowing the exception's value. Then take a look at how hard it is now to free up cap space, as a second indicator. Then consider that there are only two teams in this league with a large exception, and it can convert to any team that trades with them, then you will understand how it can be commodititized.



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  3. TheFreak

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    Are you saying it's good for a full year? So they have until 8/1/2000 to use it? If it expires, does that translate into less salary for one year only? What's the value of that if you're over the cap by more than the value of the exception?

    Studying the CBA doesn't really interest me. I don't understand a lot of the salary rules, and don't care to. What I can understand, is if someone tells me that this exception is valuable. If it's as valuable as you and (to a lesser degree) CD say, I don't see why a team like Indiana wouldn't have taken advantage of it last off-season.

    Consider:

    This was going to be Smits' last year
    Miller, Jackson's, and Rose's contracts are up
    Bird's last year as coach

    Why would a team that is basically making one final run for a championship not have utilized this chance to add a final piece? Is it because a) they didn't understand how it worked, as you say, b) they don't want a championship that bad, and would rather it free up the 4 mil in the future, or c) it wasn't valuable enough to the rest of the league to entice them to deal with Indiana? If there's another option, please feel free to mention it. You shouldn't have to bring up BYC, CBA, DIT, etc. to give an opinion on this.

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  4. heypartner

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    TheFreak,

    I am just trying to answer your questions. I guess I sounded like I was assaulting. I was trying to play off of your "I'll delete the thread" part. In the last paragraph, I was describing the thought process that I went through. I wouldn't look at the FAQ if you're not interested either.

    To answer your questions:

    Are you saying it's good for a full year? So they have until 8/1/2000 to use it?
    yes...that's definite...Probably midnight.

    If it expires, does that translate into less salary for one year only?
    If it expires, it no longer counts in Team Salary calculations. forever.

    What's the value of that if you're over the cap by more than the value of the exception?
    None I guess for that year's ability to dip into the free agency market. But, having less salary is always a good thing in the long run. No? Look at it this way, if we "eat" our exception, we have less salary for 2001 when the Dream windfall occurs. I used to think we should eat it. But, now I think it is more valuable than that, because it makes us a more attractive trading partner.

    To me, the trade exception is equal in value to being able to trade available cap space to another team. Surely, that would be a hot commodity.


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  5. Joe Joe

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    The trade exceptions biggest value is that it allows a team to make a trade if it wants to.

    hypothetical situation

    Orlando needed to free up 3 million to sign Duncan

    They could say we don't have the money.

    or

    Hey rockets, you want Doleac for a second rounder? Doleac would be small price to pay for Duncan or Hill.

    The rockets have at their disposal a way to make any trade in the NBA work. Any team can free up 4.5 million dollars in salary space by trading with the rockets. I don't think the rocs should take dregs, but dregs with one year left with a draft pick...

    Orlando last year helped the rockets get Francis. For their troubles, they have the rights to a future Grizzle draft pick. I think someone posted it as being Orlando owed Vanc, but that wouldn't make sense since Orlando was doing Vanc the favor. Trade leftovers sometimes can be good. With 4.5, that could be Othella and Doleac.

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