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If Obama is re-elected, will he overcome gridlock/obstructionism his 2nd term?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by dmc89, Jul 30, 2012.

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Will the second Obama term be the same?

  1. Yes, GOP will continue obstructing

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  2. No, GOP will compromise with Obama

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  3. N/A, Democrats will regain control of Congress

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  1. dmc89

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    Anyone following the news knows nothing is getting done in Washington because of obstructionism by the GOP to anything that Obama wants to do.

    Far-right conservatives argue that the Republicans are doing the right thing because Obama's policies would be terrible for America; a certain troll here contends Obama makes excuses when confronted with gridlock. Whether you agree with them or not, the fact remains their tactic of making Congress dysfunctional is effective. I predict their hold on both houses will continue after the November elections, and that they will continue obstructing Obama in any way.

    Will Obama's second term be more of the same? I think it will.

    Here's an excerpt from two articles that discusses the status quo, and how it can be blamed on one party:

     
  2. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    When Obama proposes radical left wing plans, like Obamacare and Climate Change bills, no sane individual should be surprised by GOP resistance.

    On the other hand, when he openly rejects the plans of bi-partisan commissions, such as Simpson Bowles, it's plain to see that he's far, far left of center, incapable of leading a right of center country.

    His failure in leadership -- paired with his total abandoning of his job in the past year -- is perhaps the most disappointing part of his track record. Do you think that going on TV and openly mocking the party whose votes he is 'courting' in Congress is a good negotiating strategy? What an amateur.

    Obama had two years to get bills passed. Instead of focusing on jobs, he focused on Obamacare and Climate Change. America reprimanded him in the 2010 midterms, and stripped him of his ability to pass laws. America chose this path. Obama's complete incompetence led to it.
     
  3. Commodore

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    Are Obama/Reid not obstructing what the GOP wants to do?
     
  4. dmc89

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    Did you read further than the first sentence and/or have any other thoughts on the rest of the post? Rather than arguing on the semantics of obstructionism's meaning in political science, do you think we will have four more years of a dysfunctional Congress even when in an economically-troubled era like ours decisive action needs to be taken? My post shows how the most preeminent scholars (including conservatives) on Congress have empirically showed that the GOP has moved far to the right, and that they describe your party as "an an insurgent outlier in American politics. It is ideologically extreme; scornful of compromise; unmoved by conventional understanding of facts, evidence and science; and dismissive of the legitimacy of its political opposition."

    As an American, do you believe refusing to work with the other side (which is less ideological than the GOP, as studies show) for 4 years in a major recession is responsible, mature, and the best for our nation?

    By the way, Merriam-Webster defines obstructionism as "deliberate interference with the progress or business especially of a legislative body." Your question is unnecessary.
     
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  5. dmc89

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    Regardless of whether you think obstructionism by the GOP is justified, is that what you want as an American for four more years? I asked Commodore this as well, but Congress is dysfunctional and cannot pass legislation. In a severe economic crisis like this, with rising income equality, and more signs of America losing on several key indicator like public education, infrastructure, and healthcare spending, action needs to be taken.

    But, I presume your response will be better no (socialist) action taken to undermine America than to work with Democrats to get things done?

    This thread is mostly for Democrats as we have few conservative posters, and neither side can agree on basic facts like how both of Obama's healthcare and climate change proposals are recycled Republican ideas from the the 90s when they were less ideologically extreme.

    How can any moderate or Democrat be optimistic about a second Obama term unless the Democrats re-take the Capitol?
     
  6. mc mark

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    Obamacare was a republican idea
     
  7. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    America gave the Democrats free reign in 2008 -- White House, Senate and House. The Democrats did not handle things well -- at all -- and America took away their power in 2010 by giving the House to the Republicans and balancing out the Senate. Gridlock was preferred by voters to the alternative. Blame Obama -- the divider in chief -- for this happening.
     
  8. mc mark

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    Between 2008 and 2010 were the most filibusters in senate history.

    Even republicans are freaking out about their party.

    Republican Congressman Blasts GOP: Party Caters To ‘Extremes,’ Is ‘Incapable Of Governing’

    Congressman Richard Hanna (R-NY) is fed up with the GOP.

    Hanna singled out Michele Bachmann’s “suggestion that Secretary of State Hillary Clinton aide Huma Abedin be investigated to see if she has ties to Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood” as an example of a party that has gone off the rails.

    The Syaracuse Post-Standard has the story:

    “I have to say that I’m frustrated by how much we — I mean the Republican Party — are willing to give deferential treatment to our extremes in this moment in history,” he told The Post-Standard editorial board.

    …“We render ourselves incapable of governing when all we do is take severe sides…” he said. “If all people do is go down there and join a team, and the team is invested in winning and you have something that looks very similar to the shirts and the skins, there’s not a lot of value there.”


    …“I would say that the friends I have in the Democratic Party I find … much more congenial — a little less anger,” he said.
     
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    No, Obama and Reid have proposed exactly what the GOP wanted to do, but when they did, the GOP changed their minds, and decided they didn't want to do it.
     
  10. bigtexxx

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    Obama just won't put in the time or effort to work across the aisle. He's lazy and prefers to play politics instead of rolling up his sleeves and working.
     
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    decisive action was taken. The stimulus bill. Did that failure not happen in your world? It ****ing sucked. total train wreck.

    We do need decisive action again. Just from someone who understands economics.
     
  12. dmc89

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    Where are you getting this data? Voting for a politician from party B does not necessarily mean you want that politician to refuse to work with a politician from party A.

    Citizens don't elect people into office just to create gridlock. That's a very childish and reckless attitude given the nature of our problems where Congress needs to act.

    Neither you and Commodore have answered the question: is the status quo of gridlock what you want for another 4 years?
     
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    Action was taken by a Democratically-controlled Congress when it passed the ARRA in 2009. But gridlock has been the norm since the November 2010 elections.

    I hope you consider Paul Krugman someone knowledgeable on economics.Like any recent legislation, it wasn't decisive nor anywhere near enough. The stimulus should have been at least $3 trillion. But then you'll counter with our national debt issue. I don't want to get into that debate. Tell me if you're okay with the status quo, that is what you want another 4 years of?

     
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    I can't tell if you are just wildly ignorant, or not.

    Most of your posts are piles of baseless assumptions about personality, or petty insults directed towards Obama.

    You made a thread about the economy, and how it's Obama's fault. To back yourself up, you post an article that talks about statistics, yet in no way implicates Obama specifically. I can only assume that your line of thinking is something like "The economy is bad, and he's president, so it's his fault." Really critical thinking there.

    Maybe I'm wrong, and you're just playing the heel. I hope that's the case. If not, you need to open your eyes, and look beyond your personal problems with the President to identify the real issues with our country's system.
     
  15. El_Conquistador

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    I am definitely not OK with the status quo, because the President is woefullly incompetent and incapable of working to get things done. He is also tone deaf to the preferences of the American people, and chooses the path of ramming unpopular bills through Congress over listening to the voters.

    Even under the most rosy Democratic pollsters' projections, the House will not shift hands to the Democrats and the Democrats will lose seats in the Senate. The only way to avoid gridlock is to elect Romney. Probably not what you wanted to hear. Sorry.
     
  16. mc mark

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    Mr Obama believes that once he is re-elected the republican fever will break and they will be more inclined to compromise.

    Obama, always the optimist.

     
  17. Commodore

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    And the electorate responded by awarding them sweeping victories in 2010
     
  18. bigtexxx

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    Just look at Obama's terrible results. You cannot argue in any shape or form that he's been effective. The economy is a complete mess, and all Obama can do is try to blame the Republicans or trot out Bill Clinton, who was last president almost 13 years ago.
     
  19. B-Bob

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    Sorry, but as a standalone phrase, this really gave me some good lulz. Carry on.

    And technically, it's "Neither you nor Commodore," ...

    And even more technically, it's "any question."

    Do carry on.
     
  20. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    SIZZLE CHEST!

    Great to hear from you, friend.
     

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