If china attacks Taiwan, what do you think America will do ?

AS I KNOW, Taiwan hasn't been a part of China since 1895, when the Japanese took it away, except for the brief 4 years of 1945-1949. Taiwan is independent, was promised independence and deserves independence.

And if China invades Taiwan it will mean war with the US, and China will lose big time.

 

So what you're saying is that China would be invading itself? That's kind of funny.

 

Or does the mainland belong to those on Taiwan?

 

Oooh, oooh, oooh I think I had this one on the SAT's!

Uh.... Taiwan is part of China, as...

the United States is part of the British Empire

or

Vietnam is part of the French Empire

or

Iraq is part of the Ottoman Empire

or

Tibet is part of China

or even

China is a provence of the Mongolians

Seriously? The United States would do what we have declared we would do, and what we would have done if The Soviet Union had invaded West Germany: We would respond to China's move to begin the war that would leave all of humanity in a smoking radioactive crater. We would do this because they don't wan't to be part of China even though you have been so kind to declare to them as such just because you say they are.

 

This is more true than you may know. After the Japanese invaded China, Sun Yat-sen, Chiang Kai-shek and the rest of the Kuomintang would have reduced Mao Tze Dung to a footnote of history. The government of Tiawan was the sucessor of the one elected after the final emperor was removed.

 

I think China would be stupid to invade Taiwan.

Heck, according to China, they own everything...Tibet, Taiwan..etc...etc....but all those countries want nothing to do with that corrupt government.

DD

 

more importantly what will happen to Yao

 

it would be a beatdown, but not the end of the world


that's not gonna happen, though, because China isn't going to use military force, it's just gonna keep talkin' isht until all the old warriors die off. Taiwan is not part of China. 80% of the inhabitants haven't been part of China for over 100 years, and those who call themselves Taiwanese dang sure don't think of themselves as Chinese. I take their word for it.


China might as well suck it up and accept Taiwan because it isn't going to invade Taiwan any more than the US is going to invade Cuba. The claim to either is equally specious.

 

as the resident taiwanese-american on this board. is this message meant for me???



it's ironic, cuz all the chinese (on this bbs at least) say they will invade. but everyone else say they won't.

and then all the chinese say that americans won't help taiwan. but all the americans say they will.

but honestly though, i go with chinawang's comment:

"then I think of the war between US and China, and I think of the end of the world."

better find them caves in colorado and guangxi fast! cuz that's where we'd all be moving!

i personally find it both highly disturbing and yet a little proud that our little country is the chief protagonist in this most likely of armegeddon scenarios...

here's to world peace!

 

well... it's generally perceived that china won't make their move until 2008, after the beijing olympics. so hopefully, we'll have our rings by then...

 

Lil


how does a Taiwanese-American get to be so anti-Jewish?

 

Do 1.3 billion people belong to twenty million people? Are 1.3 billion people's rights smaller than that of twenty million people? Besides, not all Taiwanese endorse the idea of Taiwan's independence, especially those two million soldiers plus their companions that fled to Taiwan after the fall of mainland.

Taiwan belongs to China and the Chinese people, that's why it was retruned after WWII from Japan with international approval. Taiwan doesn't belong to the former central goverment of China, the former central government of China which fled to Taiwan after being rebelled, and now, it successor belong to China. The fact of Taiwan as a part of China at that time lays down the premise of escape of our former central goverment.

Taiwan people have rights to Taiwan but the mainland people have rights to Taiwan as well, as the rightuous heir of this piece of land passed down from their ancestors. The problem of Taiwanese independance is the idea of trying to bypass the rights of the mainland Chinese, coupled with frequent verbal insults to those mainland Chinese who came to Taiwan after WWII, with desperate and indecent measures such as condoning Japnese cultural genocide colonial reigning to garner support of its independence movement from Japan, with Lee Deng Hui the former Japanese soldier as a brainwashed Taiwanese Chinese in WWII leading it way. It's not only a property issue and a political one, it has deep seeded anti-Chinese culture motives as a result of the China hating elements instilled back in the Japanese colonial reigning, to which the mainland Chinese and conscientious Taiwanese find offensive.

The Chinese are the internationally acknowledged owners of Taiwan and we'll appreciate our rights to be respected. Currently we see no need to attack Taiwan unless they declared independence first. As I said, the main motive behind the Taiwanese independence is deeply a cultural one. Some Taiwanese has developed this distorted view of a China monster in the years of cold war, fanned by the Japanese worshiping Taiwanese. This view will undoutedbly change as the capitalization and gradual civil movements in China takes place, and the economic dependance of Taiwan on China grows by daily. Adding the facts the Taiwanese are largely Chinese desendants that share the same language, beliefs and cultural heritages, it's easy to see there is no economic motive, no political hurdles that are fundamentally incompatible, no cultural and religious conflicts. There is only a bunch of China(not hating just the government but China as a whole) haters misleading people on China's backwardness that's gradually improving. As China gets better, the Taiwan independance leaders worry about China's natural appeal day by day. They have done all they could to curtail cultural and economic exchange between the Taiwan straits. They don't allow direct shipment of goods and passengers from or to mainland, everything has to take detour via Hong Kong, they don't allow the army soldiers to marry mainland females, they put 24 hours surveilance on the first tourists group from mainland. They are trying to delay the re-emergence between the Taiwanese and mainlanders and they are gonna yield to the need of both sides sooner or later.

There isn't a real motive for Taiwan's independance that can't be sorted out by time. Time is on our side and I'm confident it's just a matter of time.

 

Hello my fellow Chinese friends.

There is ABSOLUTELY NO POINT in debating about this topic in an American BBS. What do you really want to hear from the American people who are proud of the independence war (from British) and up to this day still mock the British people in some of the Hollywood movies?

No amount of reasoning will ever work in sensitive political matters like this. So Panda sorry I think not many is going to carefully read your post. They will not understand our point of view, and vice-versa. We don't need them to understand. Different cultures and history backgrounds.

 

Was it those darn Austin Powers movies that gave us away?

 

Righteous heir? What does that mean? Why would the communist party have any 'right' to Taiwan based on ancestral heritage? Why would they have more of a right to Taiwan than people born and raised on Taiwan that don't want to be part of the PRC?

Interesting escapism. It much more likely that Taiwanese don't want to give up their democracy for PRC-style authoritarianism, that they don't want to give up their functioning economy for the messy transition the PRC is currently going through.

The PRC was certainly monsterous in the years of the Cold War: see millions of Chinese slaughtered and starved by Mao. Not hard to see why they would have thought that.

Since Taiwan has plenty of cash, and a sound economy, its fairly absurd to argue they are becoming dependent on the PRC. As Taiwan is the PRC's largest investor, it is more realistic to argue the other way around: the PRC is greatly dependent on Taiwan for economic growth. That also disproves your 'China hating' argument, for if they were such China haters, they'd hardly be investing so much of their cash to spur the PRC's economy.

Good points and you are right that these are not barriers to unification. The main barrier is political though, not some Japanese conspiracy.

How can they be misleading when you admit the PRC is backwards?

This is not true and Taiwan's status as the PRC's largest investor PROVES that it is not true.

I can't imagine WHY they don't want huge shipments to come straight from the mainland, lol. Could it be they don't want the PLA showing up unexpectedly in their territory?

The only thing that blocks unification, assuming the PRC continues to liberalize politically, is the fact that most people in Taiwan are NOT from the mainland, rather they are from Taiwan. I understand there are longstanding ties between the mainland and Taiwan, but the people in Taiwan's right to self governance far outweighs the mainlands interests under some doctrine of 'righteous heritage.'

zhaozhilong:

You start with the assumption that it is unreasonable NOT to want to be part of the PRC. That opinion is NOT shared by the Taiwanese, nor the Tibetans, nor the Muslims in your Western provinces, among others. Try a little reasoning instead of silly comments about Hollywood.

And what's up with MSG? Is that some PRC conspiracy to destroy western civilization?

 

Quantity does not matter.

It's about Freedom and Deomcracy.

 

I disagree with the reasoning that political situation or stance decide the property rights of an individual or an country. These things aren't even relevant. Your house is either yours or not, whether you are an American communist or Chinese capitalist matters not. Democracy is merely a political way to express and carry out the will of people, regardless of the correctness of such will. When the people are wrong, the outcome from their democratic decision is consequently wrong. How many people Mao killed or starved and how horrible the Chinese government is doesn't have anything to do with what Chinese owns. Japanese owns Japan and Germans owns Germany despite their political stance, well you get the point.

Hayestreet, your paragraphs on China and Taiwan's mutual economic independance prove my point of Taiwan's dependence on mainland China. They have heavy business interests in China, China doesn't.

Saying Taiwanese don't come from China as their reason for independance is based on the conclusion that Taiwan isn't part of China, which is going in circles in logic.

Cohen, as we know quantities matters in democracy. I know you would say that China has no say as it's dictatorial, I see the exact opposite way. As the Chinese' voices being suppressed by the current politics doesn't remove themselve's of their rights. I think we can agree on that. If they are stifled in some ways as not to be able to express their will their rights to property remains. A man in coma is still a man.

Should a mafia be supported as they are a democratic party setting up paper boxes selecting their Don? I think not. So I advise be careful of the democratic party one supports. Some of them great, some of them stink. The Democratic Progressive Party that leads the independance process of Taiwan, with its appealing name, is full of people with distorted view of life and disrespect to human values. To that I wish someone kick their a$$.

 

This is true. I believe China is the largest export market for Taiwan. They have invested ~$50-$100B in the mainland. The Taiwan gov't has tried to stop the tide of economic dependency and loss of their advance semiconductor production lines from moving to the mainland. Business people want the three links of air, mail and ship, but the gov't has waffled on this. The fear is that if this trend continues, the mainland will take back Taiwan not by military force, but by economical force.

HayesStreet, I don't know if you've been over there before, but to fly over to Shanghai from Taipei, you would have to fly southward to HK for a stop over and then fly back north to your original destination. A simple flight across becomes a time wasting inconvienience. This policy of not allowing direct flights might've of made sense 25 years ago, but it's just plain silly today. There are hundreds of thousands of Taiwanese living and working across the straits who have to go through this hassle to get home.