If it takes an SnT for Swift or Toine then who gets sent to make the deal? If SS it's complicated because I guess Logo would insist JWill also go. So, JPo for CD to say 'yes'? If so, then MJ, DW, Spoon, Mooch. If AW then MJ and DW. My guesses. Anyone have better ideas?
It seems to me like MJ would have to be included in either one, because (let's be realistic here) he's our only desirable piece. The only way I see us getting away with keeping him in a SnT situation is if we take back a lot of West's long-term garbage in exchange for expiring contracts. I wish we could get JPo in exchange for taking Williams, but I don't see it happening. Thumbs way up if we somehow can. And seeing as MJ is our only desirable piece in trade at this point, I don't particularly care who else is included.
If we get AW for a SnT with MJ or DW or BS + 1st pick that would be like "OMG WTF!?!" If we get SS for a SnT using DW and VBaker and then get JDubb (or JPo!) that would be like "OMG w00t! w00t! Grizz got pwn3d!" hahaha sorry I couldn't help myself.
A resigned SS, Jason Williams, and Bonzi Wells................for all of our expirings and 2006 1st round pick/Mike James. Give them whatever. We need to do this deal. If we can't move Jason WIlliams out then at worst we have a starting 5 of Jason Williams Bonzi Wells TMac Yao Swift a fast, talented, athletic, tall, bunch who can all play defense save Jason Williams and Van Gundy could probably work wonders with him. If not, then peddle him to Minnesota for Cassell and whatever. Basically I think CD would take Yao and TMac out and hand West the rest of the roster and let West take his pick in a S&T deal for Swift and take back whatever West wants us to take as long as it includes the rights to Bonzi. We may even get lucky and get this done before Bonzi's options is up and be able to negotiate the exercising of his option in favor of a lower salary for extended years if that is possible. West could then exercise the lux tax waiver on Cardinal and have gobs and gobs of expirings to either trade for a quality player or let expire and then be able to offer the max to somebody in 2006. It would really be in Memphis' best interests to do this and tank this season. They would have a lottery pick, our pick, plus loads of cap space to rebuild in an instant around Pao and their other max player, say Curry, after he plays out his one year tender. Really, if West thinks it through, I think he'll jump on the opportunity to do business with us, sending out his garbage for our expirings. With the cap space West would have next season, he would be able to add a max player, and another really good starter, along with a solid lottery pick. That's 3 high quality players to go with Pao.
Swift, Posey and Williams would be hard to pass up. It addresses all of our needs. Williams is the only question mark. Could Van Gundy get him under control? He has a lot of talent. If we just would have matched the offer on Posey in the first place we would be fine. Also, would West want to help a division rival out that much?
If it's Memphis, it's probably a strict salary dump. If it's Boston, I think Ainge would be much more flexible. Mike James could be intriguing as well as Wesley or our 1st rounder. But I think we'd only have to give up one of the 3 at most to get the job done.
Rox will need to pay a starting salary of 6-7 mil for either, so James' contract is not enough, even +25%. Wesley added works. Or would that not be accepted?
I meant one of those trading chits + whatever deadweight expiring contracts(mooch, baker, spoon) are needed to match salaries. I highly doubt JVG would trade 2 of his heavy rotation guards for AW and have to depend on Head AND hope to find another guard in the already depleting fagency.
Swift, Bonzi, and WIlliams..........not Posey. He can't shoot or handle worth a flip. Posey is a defender and a finisher, that's it. Bonzi can do it all. And Van Gundy can keep him in line. If Van Gundy can handle Spree, he can handle Bonzi.
What if it took both? What if they think Span is rotation ready? What if they are ready to give Spree LLE? Lot of what ifs. Sticking to the question, what if an SnT is required to get either of the 'targets'? What would Grizz or C's demand back to get the deal done, and how far will CD/JVG go to get that target?
I'm sure Williams has his problems but at least he's not an outright racist. I could stand Williams but I would hate to see Bonzi playing for the Rockets. Posey plays his butt off. He is one of my favorite ex-Rockets. When we had Posey he did all the little things. He does have an unorthodox shot and I will say Wesley has a better half court offensive game. However, in every other aspect of the game Posey is an improvement. If we had Posey against Dallas, I am confident we would have come out on top.
Yeah, Posey did all the little things on a team that played helter skelter and was overrun with Francis and Mobley controlling the ball 80% of the time. He did fine in that kind of role, running the floor, finishing, and working his tail off on defense. There wasn't a whole lot else he could do on that team. There isn't a whole lot else he can do on any team. He's Ryan Bowen with a pedigree, that's all. As much as I admire him and like his defensive mindset, I think he's a liability on the offensive end. If a player can't handle, they've got to be a good shooter. If they aren't a good shooter, they've got to be able to handle. We're trying to spread the floor and create space for TMac and Yao to operate. I'm afraid his defender would wind up clogging everything up and making it difficult for our big 2 to do their thing. Remember, we let him walk when he signed the offer sheet. He apparently wasn't worth it back then. I don't see anything that would change that. Of course, there are a lot of players that aren't worth what they are being paid. I just don't think his skillset fits what we are doing. Attitude yes, skillset no. Bonzi fits what we are trying to do so much better. The only reason he's been bumped around is because of his attitude. Van Gundy is the attitude fixer, witness Spree, witness Camby, witness Cato. Van Gundy will fix him, and he will defend his jock off, and he will be an offensive threat to go with our big 2. That's why I prefer him. Barring all that. If Swift comes here for the MLE, I'd just as soon wait until Golden State starts getting jammed up and help them out of some of their bad contracts by giving them some expirings in exchange for say Foyle and Pietrus. For them to dump Foyle, Fisher, or Murphy, they are going to have to throw in something. I would really like Pietrus at the 2 if we can't get Bonzi. Talk about a team that could jump out the roof. TMac, Pietrus, and Swift on the floor with some 7-6 dude and another player who sports a 39" vertical in Head. Somebody turn on the jack in the box.
I think either JWill, Bonzi or Posey can make our team better. Bonzi's contract is expiring; Posey has 2yrs/$12MM; Williams has 3yrs, $25MM. Depending how desperate the Logo is on getting rid of Williams and Bonzi, we could force them to take a combo of MJ plus Spoon/Wesley/Moochie/Ward (all of whom are expiring). I like this possible SnT, but only if we give Swift a reasonable contract and don't break the bank.
If West is trying for a salary dump, then what exactly is the point of including Bonzi in any deal? They can simply decline his deal and be done with it. What exactly would the rox be offering that would make taking on extra contracts of close to 15 mil worth it? Taking on JWill's contract? And why would the rox want to take on 20++ mill of payroll when two of the three players they are getting are supposed to be cancers? Don't get the Bonzi talk at all, don't think he's a realistic option for any Swift sign and trade.
