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Ideal point guard to add to our core of Alpi, Jalen, Bari, Tari?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by AroundTheWorld, Apr 11, 2023.

  1. AroundTheWorld

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    If getting Harden and drafting Sccot Henderson does not happen, but the Rockets do the right thing and fix their culture and decide to move on from KPJ (and Nix) - who would be point guard targets via trade who could help us improve?

    Here are my criteria:
    • should be a competent defender
    • should have a very good assist/turnover ratio - protect the ball
    • should have a very good 3-point shot
    • should not overdribble - bring the ball up, don't lose it, pass it to Alpi or Jalen to let them cook, or find the open Bari or Tari or the cutting KMJ
    • should be good at finding the open man, spotting up
    • should encourage quick ball movement
    • be a team player - do not focus on your individual stats vs. team success
    • be on a reasonable contract
    We already have Alpi, Jalen and Bari who should all be getting a good amount of shots. We might get a top pick and a max FA who will also want shots.

    We don't really need/want a PG who wants to score 20+ a game. That's why I think targeting someone like Trae Young next to Jalen is not a good idea in terms of roster composition, even if Trae gets a lot of assists and is a better overall player than some of the guys I am suggesting here.

    We have TyTy who seems to have good potential and basketball IQ, but he might need to grow for a couple of years next to a solid veteran.

    All that said, here are three point guard targets I would like to see:

    1) Tyus Jones

    Tyus Jones has the best assist/turnover ratio in the NBA (5.2 Asts/0.9 TO). He is a pretty good 3-point shooter (37.1 %).

    One issue is, he is only under contract for one more season, is already making $ 14.5M and will likely be looking for more after this year. Also, he is with Memphis, a very good team who might not be willing to let him go, and he might not be interested in moving on from that situation. Maybe if they flame out terribly in the playoffs.

    2) Monte Morris

    Monte Morris is more under the radar than Tyus Jones, but actually has very similar assist/turnover numbers (5.3 Asts/1.0 TO). His 3-point percentage is even better than that of Tyus Jones (38.2 %) and he is on a more reasonable contract ($ 9.8M) for next year. However, similarly to Tyus Jones, he is in a contract year and might be looking for more after next year. He also played with Nikola Jokic before, a similar "archetype" as Alpi, so he might "know his job".

    3) Alex Caruso

    Alex Caruso is most probably the best defender of these three. He is still under contract for two more years at about $ 9.5M per year, and his contract the year after next only has $ 3M guaranteed. There are rumours about him wanting to move on from Chicago, and the feeling being mutual. He gets fewer assists than the two others, his assist/turnover ratio isn't quite as good (2.9 Asts/1.1 TO), but he got 1.5 steals and 0.7 blocks per game in limited minutes last year, and his 3-point percentage is good enough at 36.4 %. He has won an NBA title before, is taller than the other two at 6'5 and is from Texas originally.

    Here are their stats in comparison:

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    Trades which could work:

    1) For Tyus Jones

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    I think they would want a good pick to do this trade, if they were to consider it at all (probably only if they suck in the playoffs).

    2) For Monte Morris

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    Kispert shot 42 % from three last season, which would address another one of our big weaknesses.

    3) For Caruso:

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    This could solve the backup center role at the same time.

    What do you think? Any better ideas?
     
  2. Verbal Christ

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    We absolutely need a pg that can put 20+ pts or at least near 20 pts efficiently.

    Our bench offense blows, and no one aside from green can hit 20+ pts consistently. If all these trades are designed to get rid of kpj our second highest scorer, u need someone to replace that.

    There's a reason why folks want harden. Man can score and dish out like a maestro, he just doesn't have to b the primary scorer anymore since we have green.

    Smith and sengun has yet to show us that they can hit 20 pts Consistently.

    grabbing a guard like the ones u mentioned that averages only 10.3, 5.6, and 10.3 this season is not a good suggestion.
     
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    I think Harden is coming tbh, but, if we do miss out on both Harden and Scoot Henderson, I think the best PG option is Fred Van Vleet.

    We'll have to overpay to get him (something like 3 years, 30 mill per), but he nails most of your criteria in that he is a two way player, can play on or off ball, good shooter for most of his career, great assist to turnover ratio.

    People seem to really hate on him, but he's kinda perfect for what we need if the top two options of Harden and Henderson don't happen. Plus he's a free agent, so it won't cost any assets. FVV as the vet point guard for the next three years is a great option imo.

    The trades you proposed are pretty unrealistic, btw. KPJ just does not have that sort of value at all. His contract is so team friendly, that it makes him probably just above neutral value as salary matching (since he's low risk, decent return on that contract), but he's definitely not going to net you a return like you have in those trades, whatsoever.
     
  6. TimDuncanDonaut

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    I lean towards Jones and Morris, because of the assists/playmaking. Caruso on paper is a good 3&D, but he's not a main playmaker (at least haven't shown it). Even though he's a different archetype than Green, their position kind of overlaps; one is defense and floor spacer, other is scorer. On the open market, I can see Caruso also costs a bit more; as his skill types is sought after by playoff teams.

    I'd prioritize playmaking as the main attribute for this current young Rockets team. 3's and defense can come later if they need to be sacrificed (for the time being).
     
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    I'm so jealous of the Wolves getting Conley Jr for Ant. That's who I wanted for our young core.

    I mean he literally is the perfect embodiment of what we need at pg now. Someone who doesn't demand a high usage who has high offensive and defensive awareness along with being an ultimate professional off the court.
     
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  8. Bobbythegreat

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    If only we had a guy that could put up an efficient 19/6/5 while also being an amazing off ball 3 point option.....also it would be great if they were under 25.

    How could we ever find someone like that though?
     
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    I would rather van fleet over those guys mentioned . He would be vital to developing our young guys . He’s a great defender too
     
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    I mean, ideally, Scoot Henderson (assuming we're not getting Wemby). But out of the guys you've listed, I like Tyus Jones as both the best playmaker as well as the best defender of the three, who also happens to be the youngest.

    I also think Amen Thompson will have to be looked upon as our PG of the future if that's who we end up drafting, but I think you'd go for a veteran to share PG duties with him his first couple years in the league, not a guy like these who are in their prime years and looking to have a starting role for awhile.


    I'm also high on Jones' brother Tre, who is an RFA with the Spurs and has a similar profile to his older bro at the same age. His shooting numbers are nowhere near these guys' yet, but he showed improvement over the course of the season and I think he can develop a solid 3P shot. His youth and the ability to get him with just cap space and not have to trade anything are both appealing--assuming the Spurs don't match anything we offer.
     
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    Chris Paul.

    That Wizards trade wouldn't happen on their end btw

    The answer is always Chris Paul.
     
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    I love Andrew Nembhard's games. if pacers willing to part way with, why not give a try.
    (big name pgs in the market might feel pretty reluctant to join a rebuilding team, say van fleet, but if van fleet does choose h-town, Im thrilled)
     
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    My goodness, stop making threads! We all know your ultimate goal is to blow Sengun. Smh
     
  14. Ancient Moabite

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    You forgot to add the for the last 30 games cliche , or maybe it has been going on for 3 seasons straight of this high caliber efficiency, either case they need to restructure that original deal and give KPJ the bag$, RJ Barrett style
     
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    FVV then Harden then Jones. I love the thought of trading KPj for Jones though. Sends KPj to Memphis and gives Ja Morant a potent off the bench scoring punch where Scoot can be the Bench Honcho.

    Harden coming would be the fastest way to relevancy. If Harden comes back and we get a good defensive SF then you can pencil the team in for 50 wins next season barring injury. With FVV/Jones I think we'd be in the 30-35 win range.
     
  16. Bobbythegreat

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    No, I went will full season numbers. The last 30 day numbers are significantly better though.

    I think they are very lucky to have KPJ signed to the contract he went with, he's already outplaying his deal before it even begins.
     
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    Dont they already have magic johnson sengun?
     
  18. ROXTXIA

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    The problem with your boy is that he seems to run hot and cold. You get that occasional 13-assist outburst and you think, "Oh, cool." Then you see other games and the stat sheet and, "3 assists? WTF?" Like he needs constant reminding to look for his teammates and then reverts to form.

    Someone who gets more than 5.7 assists per game. And who isn't a reported locker room....well, not cancer, but, uh, problem. Locker room problem.

    He's matured since his arrival but he's a shooting guard who can pass.
     
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    Wait, are we talking about Jalen Green here?
     
  20. Ancient Moabite

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    The Cavs GM should be fired for giving up on ultra talented NBA caliber player, Stone should also be relieved of his duties for not giving him max qualified deal

    KPJ is a living legend, you got those on one side who claim he is lucky to be in the league and the other side saying the Rockets are lucky to sign him to that deal

    The narratives are amazing
     

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