" I would rather die on my feet then live on my knees "

Nice quote...as is " Give me liberty or give me death!", etc. Sadly, as we now know, Henry et al don't count...pick your reason:


A) That was then, this is now...( basically you can choose the cut off for relevant history as occuring just after whatever point you don't want to say is relevant.)

B) It happened before 9-11.

C) Yeah, but we weren't doing ________. ( Fill in the blanks with whatever narrowly defined action specifically applies to one situation and not another. For example, it is known that during the Revolution we specifically and intentionally killed civilians, broke all the recognized rules of proper military conduct, etc. but it was ok, cause we were fighting for our liberty as backed up by our religious convictions. However, as there were no school buses, you could herein say " Yeah, right, we killed schoolchildren on buses... )

D) I hear France is nice this time of the year.

E) Nothing to see here.

etc...

 

On the other hand, the demographics of suicide bombers isn't a bright spot either. Every Palestinian has the potential...

 

Ooops!

 

FD Khan,

I understand your frustration, but that was my least favorite post by you ever (FWIW).

People have a right to fight freedom, that's why I and others have said that military or even infrastructure targets are understandable.


INTENTIONAL ATTACKS ON CIVILIANS, BY EITHER SIDE, IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.

No rationalizing.

No 'everyone serves in the military' (you also forgot about the seniors and babies who are blown up);

No 'everyone can be a suicide bomber';

And no, 'we fired a missile in the apartment house, but were not aware of children in it' is also not acceptable.

 

Yep,

Except that we did not blow up civilians...we fought a war for our freedoms.

Nice try...

DD

 

MacBeth,

I, for one, am happy that you are stuck in the frozen tundra of Canada.

As much as you hate the USA, it is nice to see you are not living here.

DD

 

One question you might run into, though, is whether you keep fighting ever after the point that continuing the violence becomes an inpediment to securing freedom.

The desire for a solution for the Israel/Palestinian conflict is widely held, but the continued violence allows the process to be derailed.

At some point, you have to ask whether the fighting is the problem rather than the solution.

I don't blame them for wanting to fight, but the continued fighting has arguably made things worse rather than better.

 

If they want to fight....go ahead...fight....

Grab a gun and make an effort to kick the Israelis off the land....don't resort to terrorism and kill innocent civilians, and then try to justify that as your cause is just....

BS !!!

I hope they NEVER get a country, until they learn how to live as other civilized people do....

The palastinian people should rise up and root out their radicals....then they would have a CHANCE to have their own country.

The Middle East is one backwards A$$ fricked up region......I wish they didn't have so much oil so we could go on ignoring all those backwards A$$ muslim governments.

DD

 

Maybe we should have. You know, those tories could have had boy babies who would grow up and serve in the British military.

 

I can understand your frustration, what with me predicting your stereotypical response and all, and their being no edit, but to follow up with another one just seems like poor judgement.

 

Nice post paige.

I blame much of this on the lack of alternatives offered by palestenian leadership. Israel's had its share of hawks, but palestine had the same fighter in place for 25 years plus.

Yasser...that's my baby...no sir..i don't mean maybe

 

That's it right there. Blowing up cafes and buses filled with civillians, children, women, old people, it's not exactly helping their cause. That's why they are called Terrorists, they try to put fear into people so that they can get what they want. I'm sympathetic to the Palestinians, but damn, they keep shooting themselves in the foot. I'm not a big fan of Israel either, it's one thing to defend yourself, but I don't think their army tries as hard as ours does at avoiding collateral damage and civilian casualties.

It's really impossible to compare their fight to ours also. We, with the help of the French, were able to fight the British on equal ground. The Israelis are packing if you know what I mean. They can't win a straight up war and a guerilla war probably won't be succesful either.

 

Weren't the 'Torries' [Those sympathetic to the British Cause] Killed?

Rocket River

 

I think they would prefer the Palestinians do something more
along the lines of MLK and Ghandi's Methods

suffer great one-sided indignaties until you shame your oppressor into seeing how evil and vile they are and
the rest of the worlds sees it and maybe not play with them anymore

So.
If the palestines get killed enough on the news
without retaliating .. . perhaps some people
in the rest of the world will give a d*mn and put some
economic sactions on Isreal.
forcing Israel to give the Palestinians rights

The world wants Martyrs not Terrorist

The problem is. . .. it may take time
I don't know Isreali Law . . but possibly going through
the courts or the World court. . . . .

Blowing up folx on TV with suicide bombings win you no sympathy
and sympathy from those outside of your group is what will
win you your cause

Esp when you are the minority

Rocket River
"Power Concedes nothing without Demand"

notice DEMAND not Violence

 

Citing inconvenient facts = hating America.

Didn't you get the memo?

 

Were Torries terrorized in their death or killed like any other soldier while fighting alongside the King's army? Really, I'm asking...

 

Civilians were killed. Intentionally, for their political beliefs. Sad but true. That's what made those scenes in Patriot so laughable; the British played by the rules, so much so that we have oft ridiculed them for being anachronistic ever since...we were the ones who commited the atrocities. And by the standards of the day, which are the only ones which apply, really, we commited a ton of them.

 

The British (military) 'played by the rules' ... did the Tories? Were the Tories also responsible for attacks on civilians?

Was Benjamin Franklin against reparations to Tories who fled the country? If so, why?

 

What about the genocide of Native Americans? How does that play into it?