I thought Geert Wilders was just a tiny politician.. ... making movies, just expressing his opinion? It's just a movie, right? An article about one of ATW's role models. We'll make it fun too: while you're reading, count the number of things ATW would disagree with regarding Wilder's ideas. Tidbits and link: To be frank, I don't know about the source as I've never seen it before. If you know anything about it, please do tell. I don't know much about Dutch politics and I was also hoping arno_ed could shed some light on the matter, having commented on it before (I think).
I think Wilders was always a politician... perhaps you have him confused with Lars Vilks? Or maybe I'm the one that's gone screwy.
Don't get me started on him and the PVV. I have posted on Wilders many times before. I will shed some light on it later today. he has always been a politician.
EDIT: Oh snap, you're right. He's the movie maker not the cartoonist. What was the cartoonist's name?? Point is still valid though: dude's movie tells us what he plans to do with Muslims, because there are two ways to get rid of Islam: - Forced conversion of people to non-Islam. - Removal of Muslims. No solution would be pleasant.
That's BS. He does not demand "forced conversion" or "removal of muslims". He demands that immigrants respect the laws and culture of the country they immigrated to, and that they are tolerant of others. If, for you, this is "non-Islam", then that sheds light on your view of things more than anything else.
1) Lobbying to change the law is not disrespectful of European culture or law. 2) He himself says in the interview that Muslims are law-abiding people and that his problem is with Islam. READ!! JUST READ BEFORE YOU POST!! Can you please suggest how Wilders would solve this problem? Because all people already get punished for breaking the law, I don't see what more he can do to improve this imaginary "respect for law and culture" situation? My honest opinion: there is no other way to achieve his goals other than forced conversion or discretely kicking Muslims out of a country. I would really love to hear your thoughts on what other possibilities may exist. How would he solve the alleged problem?
It's clear that you would discredit anything that is not pro-islamist...funnily enough, you revealed that yourself by not even having been able to distinguish a politician from a cartoonist - all that was in your head was "enemy of my islam", so you wanted to discredit him.
hahahaha that's hilarious. "not pro-Islamist". Is Wilders part of the Not Pro-Islamist party? I'll make it very clear for you. I'm against banning pretty much anything. That includes Islam, Burqas, muhammad cartoons, insulting south park episodes, internet censorship, alcohol, etc. Your response so far in this thread: 1) Muslims do not respect law and culture of Europe >> I must assume this is a lie because I've seen no evidence supporting it. 2) Are you drunk? >> I especially applaud your for this one. 3) Obviously you would discredit anything NOT PRO-ISLAMIST >> GREAT use of the word ISLAMIST rather than Islamic, and also completely worthless and hilarious at the same time. Well done. Seriously though, thanks for the laugh. NOT PRO-ISLAMIST. That had me rolling hahaha
I love this Geert Wilders person, he's awesome, here is a quote from his speech in Holland's parliment: "Mr Balkenende, a historic task rests on your shoulders. Be courageous. Do what many Dutch citizens are screaming out for. Do what the country needs. Stop all immigration from Muslim countries, ban all building of new mosques, close all Islamic schools, ban burkas and the Koran. Expel all criminal Muslims from the country, including those Moroccan street terrorists that drive people mad. Accept your responsibility! Stop Islamification!" http://www.michaelsavage.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=49 How can you not support this message? Freedoms are going to disappear if we don't stop Islam from being spread, so its imperative to ban the Koran and mosques, freedoms should be protected at whatever cost, even if it means taking away the freedom to practise your religion. Get with the program, it just makes too much sense. BTW, here is a sign the Wilder message is spreading, good stuff. Locals Protest Mosque That's Actually a Church Some vigilant citizens in Phoenix, Arizona are up in arms over a domed church that they wrongly believe to be a mosque. The large building, still under construction along a busy interstate, is actually a nondenominational church. The backlash has been severe enough that the church's leaders have hung a giant banner over the dome: "IF YOU THINK DIFFERENT YOU ARE WRONG -- WE ARE BUILDING A CHRISTIAN HOUSE OF WORSHIP." The incident suggests that the widespread backlash against Muslim-American centers, which began this summer in reaction to the planned Cordoba House in New York, may still not have fully receded. Phoenix's CBS affiliate KPHO reports, "People behind a new church in Phoenix are trying to stay ahead of any potential controversy or hate that accompanied the announcement of a proposed mosque near Ground Zero in New York City." They produced this video report: http://www.theatlanticwire.com/feat...s-Protest-Mosque-Thats-Actually-a-Church-2546
Let me address his demands from ChrisBosh's post. I disagree with most. - Stop all immigration from Muslim countries -> this seems over the top; still, a country should look to balance immigration and select its immigrants, like the US does, in Europe, they did not do any of that, which partly caused the problem - ban all building of new mosques, close all Islamic schools, ban burkas and the Koran -> mosques: wrong; islamic schools: depends on whether they spread radical messages that incite violence (only then; same goes for existing mosques); ban burkas: yes; ban koran: no - Expel all criminal Muslims from the country -> you cannot expel them based on their religion if they are already Dutch citizens. demanding to expel all criminal non-citizens, if they committed a severe enough crime (regardless of religion) would make more sense
No I know who he is now, he basically made that movie "Fitna". Theo Van Gough is dead, he made the movie submission I think. I was initially mistaking him for the Danish cartoonist who actually sued Geert Wilders for copyright infringement at some point.
