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I say Carlisle should now be our first choice with Brown a close second!

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by suddenimpact, May 31, 2003.

  1. suddenimpact

    suddenimpact Member

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    What do you guys think? Carlisle has done an unbeilevable job from what he had to work with in Detroit. What do you think he could do down here with Yao and Stevie? It could be great! That was a dumb move by Detroit! Les, bring this guy down here!!!
     
  2. heypartner

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    I'm not so sure about this. We have yet to see proof of Carlisle being able to implement an offense. Can someone please describe what you call running Hamilton around like Miller, clearing out for Corliss like MoT and letting Uncle Cliffy spot of for his favorite 3.

    In all fairness to Carlisle, that wasn't much to be given...but do we really know if this guy can implement better offensive systems.

    We know Brown can, and we know Dunleavy's Blazers ran a beautiful offense when he got Coach of the Year. Sure, Dunleavy had more...but I'll take a coach who has shown offensive strategy with talent over a coach who as an excuse of little talent for never showing an offensive system.

    imo, what we know about Carlisle is the best defense in the East can go a long way; something Van Gundy proved as well. That's not too surprising.
     
  3. Hobbs

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    Carlisle was the offensive coach on Larry Bird's Pacers. He was considered an offensive Guru when Detroit hired him.

    One of the main complaints against Carlisle was that he didn't help develop young players.

    Shouldn't have been enough to get him fired though. It's bizarre. There is a press conference at 12:30 with both Dumars and Carlisle. ESPN's still saying he's fired, but it's just weird. There was actually an interview YESTERDAY in which Dumars said he couldn't see a reason Carlisle wouldn't be back.
     
  4. RocketFan85

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    I think I have to agree with heypartner. I am starting to like Dunleavy as our coach and have Avery Johnson as our assistant.
     
  5. heypartner

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    Yes, and not just at Indiana. He's been around a lot of vets and a lot of vet coaches. Bird was all about just tweaking the vets, because he knew they could play already. The irony here is that this man implemented ugly ball when he became the man. Funny how coaches will forego fancy schemes and go with what their players can handle. Seems like many here simply think every team should run motion regardless of what the players (read: Francis) can handle.

    I do like the fact Carlisle had time with Sabonis. Dunleavy did, too.
     
  6. Uprising

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    I have to agree, Brown and Dunleavy are definetly the top two on my list. I also hope on Les's list.
     
  7. JayZ750

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    I think you're reading the board wrong. If Rudy had implemented a scheme that resulted in the Rockets going, say, 50-32 and making the second round of the playoff, even if it was still heavy ISO, ther'd be complaining, but much much much less.

    I'm not saying motion is the answer, I'm just saying it's a proven fact that what they were running definitely isn't the answer.

    Anyway, I agree with you on Dunleavy - I've always thought he should be near the top, mainly because of the schemes he ran those last few years with the Trailblazers and Sabonis.
     
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    If we get Carlisle, we get the same ISOs from Francis and Mobley.
    I say stick to getting Brown
     
  9. NYKRule

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    Looks like you won't have a close second coach to go to. BTW, I could see this coming from a mile away, Detroit isn't as impulsive and flat out stupid as the Rockets are. Why do they fire Rudy T without someone already ready to come in? They act like everyone wants to definitely coach Yao, just because he's a big guy. If I were you I'd be disgusted with Rockets management and look at the Pistons if you want to see a team that has management that know what they are doing.


    JVG should have been the first choice all along.
     
  10. steddinotayto

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    I like what Carlisle did with the Pistons but I don' think he's the 'best' fit for our team. He rather have 12 decent players than 10 bad players with 2 superstars...case in point: when they had Stackhouse. With Stackhouse they had a go to guy for sure but it wasn't working out b/c the team tried to feed him the ball as much as possible and not work on team offense. and after they shipped him out for rip, they work better as a team...this is not a knock on Carlisle as a coach...but it just seems he would rather work with less than work with more if you get what i'm saying.
     
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    Defense is great.

    But his teams can't even score.
     
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    For some reason, alot of east teams can't score, right? I may be wrong, but hte firepower is in the west, right?
     
  13. SLA

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    Who knows...maybe he is all right at offense but Detroit just didn't have enough scorers....fine.....Rockets should at least interview him. He's done a very nice job....can't believe he was fired. Joe Dumars.......well smart man. Lucky ..,jbastrsrasbastard
     
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    Is anyone paying attention? If you would have read the whole article about Carlisle being fired, you would have seen that his replacement is Brown, therefore he is off the market and there's no reason to discuss him as a candidate any further.
    I don't know a lot about Carlisle, but I think we should at least give him an interview. I mean ugly or not he won 61% of his games and has some good playoff experience. Not to mention a defensive mentality, which I think we need. The offense and player development questions have to be concerns though, because we sure as hell need some of our "potential" to be realized, and fast!
    Dunleavy, now I think, would have to be the favorite simply because of his Houston ties. I don't know how good he was but I know he played here at some point.
    I have to conclude that either we didn't show Brown enough interest or he's an idiot. Who would choose Detroit over the situation Houston has to offer?
     
  15. gr8-1

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    Was it Aldridge who said Rick was the second best coach in the league? I think some of us may be selling him short. He's young, intelligent, energetic. I wouldn't be disappointed at all if we got him.
     
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    I have a problem with a team/organization that will fire a proven coach (following two successful seasons) to hire another coach. I also have a problem with a coach that would so willingly accept a job offer from such an organization.

    The ultimate (and appropriate) irony would be for Houston to hire Carlisle and give him the opportunity to prove (again) his abilities. It doesn't matter if he is or is not successful in Houston, it's about the chance for redemption.


    University (Motor Trend) Blue
     
  17. SLA

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    Actually........the more I DELIBERATE about this....

    HE'S GREAT!

    heh.....he's young..he's very smart. He's hardworking. He cares!

    His team really didn't have anybody...and he did very very well. Good principles.

    I would like him as our coach...SINCE NOBODY ELSE IS AVAILABLE.

    Slow management couldn't decide on anyone...and now they are all going to other teams.

    Offense...well when I watched the Pistons...their offense wasn't too bad. Their was ball movement and players moving...or it was Chauncey Billups draining a 3 or Tayshaun Prince isolation. He's smart. I'd like him.....

    I don't know. The Rockets just need to hurry up and decide.
     
  18. brentdapmp

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    We are not getting Brown or Van Gundy and I think getting Dunleavy would be a horrible dicision. I am pissed and am probably not going to renew my season tickets.
     
  19. JPM0016

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    not renewing your season tickets because we didn't get Larry Brown sounds a little stupid to me.

    We just need to get involved, the rockets have been the so called front runner for every single coach but we are taking too long. I would loved to have Rick Carlise. The question is, how long will he be available? We need to pounce on him, stop taking the slow ass approach
     
  20. Castor27

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    Maybe it is just me but something seriously bothers me about Dunleavy. I can't put my finger on it but personally I just don't see him being what the Rockets need. It just seems, from what I have seen and heard about him, that he just doesn't bring any more to this team than Rudy did. If we aren't getting Brown I would rather have a Carlisle or a Silas.

    On another note. I think the Pistons will be kicking themselves for firing Carlisle. This is a team that was on the brink of a first round elimination and everyone was saying that Carlisle was done, even with the turnaround he brought last year. Then they picked it up and I think he was probably behind the surge they made. I think it came down to LB looking at that team and seeing a playoff team with a high lotto pick and saying "Man that team might be able to get me a ring in the next 2 years"(that is about as long as I see him staying). Well I hope he has a good suplier of glue because he is going to need it to hold that team together.

    On a more optimistic note. I think this shows us that LB may not have been the coach we thought we were getting. IT seems obvious to me that he is trying to position himself with a team he thinks will win fast. That is the reason I don't think he will be around very long. That is definitely not what this team wanted.


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