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I know yao's weakness but I also see what cat did to yao

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by jiongni, Jan 12, 2004.

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  1. jiongni

    jiongni Member

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    Yao is not aggresive enough, yao is not fast enough,yao does not demand ball enough. I know all these his weakness. However, if the guard does not support him, he will never be a great center. I have legal pass, I can watch every rockets game. I have seen too many times when yao got the position but Cat did not give him the ball, especially, yao had a good first half then Cat would ignore him during the second half. Obviously,Cat does not like seeing yao ming be the second star in the team. If JVG thinks that Yao plays poorly because yao can not get the good position Cyao does not try his best and the guard did all correctly, He should consider maybe yao is not fit his system and trading him will be a best choice for rockets.
     
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    That's one big doghouse. It's almost the size of my garage! :D
     
  4. Charvo

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    I reiterate that this team is going to find out the value of a good passer in a spread offense like the one the Rockets have. It's not just Yao who is suffering from not getting the ball when he should get it, I've seen other players be in positions to score but the person handling the ball does not recognize the opportunity or does not have the skill to pass the ball to the potential receiver without having the pass picked off.
     
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    You forgot to put on the name


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  6. Rockets2K

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    First...

    Have you ever thought that maybe certain plays are not drawn up for Yao? Juat maybe they were using him for adecoy at that time? Not saying that is always the case...but believe it or not, not EVERY play on the floor is called for Yao.

    Secondly...

    you are ASSUMING that Cat has some complex where he doesnt like Yao and doesnt want to see him succeed.
    Notice the emphasis on ASSUMING?
    Unless you are in Cat's head or are a pyschic, you have absolutley NO CLUE what he is really thinking...so dont come in here pretending that you do.

    Thirdly...

    If you are watching the same games I am (and I see all of them) and you understand what the team expects out of Yao...then you must see that Yao does not get the position they want him to..you call it good position...Im sorry...he achieves good post position alot less than some of you Yao fans think he does.
    To pass into a guy that has not sealed off his defender and has another defender cheating over to guard him is a recipe for a turnover..and I think we have more than enough turnovers as it is.

    Forthly...

    Give up on a guy with Yao's upside after only two seasons?? OH freaking please! I know some of you are impatient....but COME ON!!! this is too much. Yao does not have the temprament to dominate right now..not after only a season and a half in the NBA....he isnt Dream or Kareem or Wilt...
    he needs some time to learn and develop the type of game he must play. If you really think the Rockets are stupid enough to trade Yao....I dont know what to tell you.

    Get this thru your head..

    at this point in his career....moving to another team will not magically fix the problems he has with position and being outmuscled...it will happen no matter which team he goes to.

    YAO WILL BE A ROCKET FOR AT LEAST THE NEXT TWO SEASONS, and probably for the rest of his career since things will eventually work out with him and the system that will be used by VG or whatever coach is here in two years.
    If VG cant effectively use Yao, he will be replaced with a coach that can...there aint no way that Unca Les will allow his cash cow to leave.

    Deal with it.
     
  7. jiongni

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    Cat knows Yao get his position. he ignores him because he does not want to give the ball to him.It is not hard to find a 7'6 guy on the court when he is in his offensive position.
     
  8. Rockets2K

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    B S.

    go thru the game tape and see if you can find more than 5 times that what you describe happened.

    Ill bet you cant.
     
  9. thacabbage

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    It's extremely pathetic when people consistently blame the guards for Yao's deficiencies. He has noone to blame but himself. His play this season has been nothing short of pathetic.
     
  10. daRox

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    OMG! What game have you been watching? Hm...maybe my country hates Yao so much that they only choose to broadcast games that Yao perform badly. Many times have I seen that Yao gets push around and not get good positions like the rest of the Rox want him to. Of course there are times that guards don't pass him the ball (NOT BECAUSE THEY IGNORE HIM). Sometimes the guards don't pass to Shaq when he's open either. Are you going to blame it on the Lakers? Sure it's easy to see open guys when you're watching in the comfort of your couch. It's not THAT easy to play. Now stop blaming everything else but Yao!!!
     
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    oh I forgot to mention another thing. DON'T make another worthless thread. You're wasting bandwith. There are many many many posts like this that I ignored. But coming come someone who has NO observation of the game whatsoever, it itches me not to say something!
     
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    The Rockets do not intentionally ignore Yao or any other players. They just don't put yao in the most optimal positions on the floor for him to be successful.

    I still suggest they need to start using him to intiate the offense from the high post because when he touches the ball, good ball movement ensues and the Rockets get good shots. I don't mind trying to improve his low post game, but as a coach your job is to put the team in the best position to succeed, and by not having the ball touch Yao's hands almost every possession, you are hurting the team's chances of scoring.

    The rockets need a major makeover if they want to be championship contenders, unless some guys start sacrificing individual play for team success. When they trust each other, and move the ball around, they can score at will, but too often players on the team insist on taking their man one-on-one and force bad shots or contested shots that are off the mark. That's what cost them tonight, besides a below average defensive performance. And it happens almost every game, I'm sick of it. One of francis or mobley need to go, as does Kelvin Cato from the starting lineup. They need a point guard to intiate the offense so that mobley or francis can play to their strengths as off the ball scorers and they could use a power forward or center who has a post up game and a mid range game with good defense. Mo Taylor might be that guy, but I envision using Yao much more from the high post, like the Kings, in my offense.

    But that aside, if the Rockets would play like a team offensively for the full 48 minutes, they would have more performances like they did in New York than games like tonight or even worse, in Detroit.
     
  13. jiongni

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    1: I want to yao plays well but I am the only Yao fan. Actually, I have posted many opinions on the Chinese BBS to point Yao's weakness. I am not satisfied with Yao's performance either without considering guaders problem.

    2:It is very hard to get a good position for a C in the NBA court. Even a player like TD when defendr front him, I see most time he moves to the high post make a jump shot or his teammates give him a good pass and he makes a easy dunk.However, I did not see even only one time cat gave a pass to yao when Yao get defrender front him. In today's game and the 2 games vs clippers
    Yao did get the good positions sometimes but cat did not pass, he just simply ignored Yao. The guy has the 4th FGP in the league when he get his position, no question, he should get the ball.

    3:Yao does have his fault. He should take more responsiblities to his team because he is the first draft pick and he is the one of the 2 all star players in the team. he should yell to his teammats when He get his position when they ignore him.

    hopefully, you can understand my poor english.
     
  14. wstar

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    one scouts view - think it's a scout from a team with a center who is better than yao? not likely..

    YAO MING

    An NBA scout's view of the Rockets' 7-5 center: What we've seen of Yao Ming his first season and a half is what we got and probably what we're going to get. He is a well-coordinated, reasonably athletic, solid 7-5 center who is not going to become anything spectacular. Certainly no Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Shaquille O'Neal, Tim Duncan, Alonzo Mourning, Artis Gilmore or Patrick Ewing. Perhaps not even a Bill Laimbeer. Shaq was more productive in his rookie season [when he averaged 23.4 points, 13.9 rebounds and 3.5 blocked shots] than Yao [15.5 points, 8.9 rebounds and 1.8 blocks this season] ever will be in any one season. Yao may never average 20 points and 10 rebounds in a season. Can the Rockets win a championship with Yao? Sure, if they get him a great supporting cast. Otherwise, they have a mild-mannered, functional, role-playing, team-oriented center who does not run that fast, jump that high or play with much aggression.

    http://www.suntimes.com/output/banks/cst-spt-banx11.html
     
  15. Charvo

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    Someone should ask Yao on his BBS during a chat session that he needs to demand a trade. Yao might tip his hand. It'll get the ball rolling a little bit.
     
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    Too true.

    But Francis is right there in terms of patheticness.
     
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    Man if Yao played with someone like Steve Nash, that'd make all the difference in the world.

    See how Yao puts up his hands constantly calling for the ball. Houston guards ignore him, but Nash would pass it to him.

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    With Nash at the point, you'd be seeing stuff like this more often.:D

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  19. arkoe

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    Sadly, I think that's spot on. I often doubt Yao's desire when I watch him play.
     
  20. Xenogears

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    That quote is useless. It's just some jealous scout who wishes he had Yao on his team. I don't put much stock into anonymous quotes. If you're going to say something, be man enough to have your name printed by it.
     

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