I have valuable information relating to Odom & the Rockets

Wow. Good info. I believe you.

One thing though, is Odom a franchise guy? IF we get a top 3 pick, that guy could be a franchise guy. Hmmm...well actually, what would your definition of a franchise guy be? Shaq/Duncan and KG are obvious. Anyone else?

 

kewl.

surely either Mooch or KT or the Toronto obligation could be considered as filler.

basically fits in with speculation, that Odom may be expendable with all the talent at sf on the roster, and that they want a pg.

tank tank tank.

 

That is awesome. I would like Marion or Lewis instead, but Odom would be an awesome fit here too. I think Kenny Thomas and a high draft pick would get us Odom. If we get Toronto's draft pick, we could also throw that in to sweeten the deal.

The major question is wheter Odom would demand the max. If he wants the max, we should not get him. Francis needs close to the max, and I believe Griffin will get a nice contract too. Odom would be demanding too much money if he wanted the max.

So does anyone have any information on how much Odom wants?

And don't worry, were tanking. Any team that has to start Dan Langhi is tanking.

 

Odom and Mo Taylor would smoke other frontcourts in the West. They could elevate their games to a higher level.

No seriously, the Rockets would hit the jackpot with this trade if they do land the #1. Odom can help run the offense and has good passing skills. Maggette could be a valuable scorer off the bench and bring some energy. But Rudy would probably let both of their talents go to waste.

 

Odom is a great talent, but I have reservations about his attitude.

I don't know what it is about him, but there is something about him that makes me feel uneasy about the Rockets getting him plus I would hate to see Kenny leave (my guess on who the Clippers would want along with our draft pick).

However, there's little question that getting Odom would help this team immensely.

Here would be my starting 5:

SF - Odom
PF - Griffin
C - Mo Taylor
SG - Mobley
PG - Francis

I would bring Cato and Glen Rice off the bench, as I feel that Mo, if he is healthy, can play the C position adequately enough.

That would be a great offensive team, IMO, but 4 pressing questions:

1) Will they care enough to play defense?
2) Will Francis and Mobley respect Odom enough to let him have his touches or will he get "frozen" out like some of the other guys mainly like EG
3) Will Odom be a team player or will he demand to be the man over Francis and Mobley?
4) Will EG ever develop a low post game?

Should be an interesting off-season.

 

Actually, you are right. Your concerns are completly realistic. Odom will take away touches from Griffin, and with Mo Taylor coming back I see very little time for Griffin to develop. If Odom wants to be the man, then that will not be good.

That's why Odom does not need the MAX. And getting rid of Maurice Taylor would be good.

 

Interesting tidbit about the Clippers offering Odom and Maggette for the top pick. Thinking over the worst teams in the league, I don't know of any teams that might take that. Memphis seems to be pretty well set at SF (though they could use Maggette, I think). The Bulls have Rose and Chandler (who I can only assume they still consider to be the future). They might do this deal, hard to say. I think Golden State would pull the trigger on that trade. Personally, though I think Williams will be good, and Ming has a lot of potential, I would take that trade if I was ANY team. I am not a huge Odom fan, but he can do a lot of things, and I don't see anyone like that available at the top of this draft (maybe Qyntel Woods, but the jury is still out on the JuCo prospect).

 

This is about 83% true but Rockets want the filler to be
Collier or Langhi
Rockets will not give up a top 5 draft pick and KT or Mooch for Odom

Try Draftpick and filler like langhi and collier.

 

If we get top 3 then we wouldn't trade it for Odom. We can get someone with as much talent in the draft that has fewer questionmarks about his attitude in Woods. If we got the 5th or 6th pick and they could still get Wagner then I would do that trade, because we wouldn't have an option to get an impact player at a position we need. If Odom will continue to be a distribute first, score 2nd type player he has been then he would fit very well but we certainly don't need another guy that needs 16 shots a game. We really need to get guys that can be sold on being a roleplayer as opposed to having to be 'the Man.' Realisticaly Steve should be passing more (and if he gets Odom there should be no reason that he doesn't have guys to distribute to) if he really wants to be a PG.

 

Gawd, I love these rumors.

We need Odom. Need, I say. He's an incredible talent. Ya'll remember the All-Star Rookie Game two years back? Steve and Lamar looked good together. Throw Cat and Taylor in there and we'll kick some major A.

The main thing about Odom is he's a big boy with handles. Yeah, he also has too many turnovers, but the kid's a stud.

And I'm not too worried about his attitude. Put him with Mo and Cat (old buddies) and he'll be just fine. (Keep Mo and Lamar away from the bowl, though.) We did inquire after Odom recently, and David Aldridge mentioned we were turned down. I stipulated then that probably we were told to hold off til the summer to see how the draft goes.

I would hate to lose Kenny, if that's what it takes, but we do have too many 4's.

Chicago would probably be in a position of strength as far as trading goes. If Chicago gets Williams, I hope they keep him and ship out Jamal Crawford (which is possible).

Come on, Toronto: keep winning! Get us that draft pick!

 

First of all. Good info, but I do not want to become the Clippers of a few years ago. If we get the number one pick you had better believe that we will be getting someone over 7 foot either in a trade or in the draft. I'd be shocked if we couldn't land exactly what we need for a number one pick, especially this year. The draft will be front loaded.

Rice is going to be our starting Small Forward next year unless he decides to call it quits. I can't imagine a scenario in which he is on the bench or traded. There is no way Odom starts in front of Rice. He might be a better player, but Rudy won't have it. Ultimately, no small forward will be coming here unless Rice is gone.

That means we will be looking to get a Center one way or another.

We will probably be drafting between 6 and 8. That's just reality. I see us holding the pick and getting a solid player. And still no Center.

 

Well this is great to know, but it basically takes us out of the running for Lamar seeing as how it is very unlikely we get the #1 or #2 pick. Getting both of those guys would be crazy though. I have had my eye on Maggette since his lone year at Duke and the kid can play. Lamar is the perfect compliment to our score first guards and would give us a lot of size in the frontcourt.

Francis/Mooch
Cat/Maggette
Lamar/Rice/TMo
Griff/MoT
Cato/Marcus (switch pix w/LA)

 

The bad news for the Rockets is that, outside of Cleveland and Memphis, every team will be vying for Jason Williams' services, with the aforementioned two likely to go after Wagner.

In other words, if the prerequisite for trading Odom is having the chance to draft either Williams or Wagner, the Rockets had better pray that they land in the top 3. Otherwise, they need Cleveland to make a late surge, allowing them to overtake the 4th pick in the draft.

The ideal scenario is, of course, to have Ming drop to the 4th or 5th pick because of contract concerns, etc... similar to what happened with Jake Tsakalidis two years ago.

Rockets chances of acquiring Odom and why he would fit so well on this team....

I think the Rockets have a GREAT chance of netting Odom this summer, and I think it will come down to whether or not they're willing to deal the stipulated pieces requested by the Clippers.

Many may think that dealing Kenny Thomas and a lottery pick is too much, but I'm of the opinion that, no matter how much you bend the truth to conform to your argument concerning the foreseeable logjam at power forward, one of the Rockets trio will become irrelevant simply by the product of neglect, and Kenny would likely be the victim......how's that for a run-on sentence...lol.

He fills so much of what we need from the small forward position-

A. He relieves Francis of some of the playmaking responsibilites.

B. He's a better defender than anyone the Rockets have at small forward.

C. He can create his own shot if a play breaks down.

D. He is the third ball handler the Rockets have so desperately needed the past three seasons to truly make this into a running team.

In conclusion? Carpe tank.

 

I believe we have our center in Kelvin Cato. He has been putting up solid numbers for the last few months. He did all the little things last night and would have been the game MVP had the Rockets won. How about that save and pass to Mobley for the tying layup after the Kenny stripping?

Odom would be perfect for the Rockets. They lack a quality small forward, and Odom would make up for that easily. This guy can score in any number of ways, and he does all the little things a team needs. My only concern is that Rudy would use him as a three-point shooter, which he certainly is not.

If the Rockets get Odom, they are set. Francis, Mobley, Odom, Griffin, Taylor, and Cato is an excellent nucleus, and a playoff team.

 

ZRB, I too am a Cato supporter. He's actually a perfect compliment to Francis and Mobley. He's been playing well. However, I consider him the weakest link on our team once Rice gets back.

 

Bulls - Have Rose, ERob, Fizer, Chandler, Hassell rotating around at the SG/SF positions. Have Crawford who has shown a lot of promise at PG and Best who is solid, but how long are they willing to wait on Crawford after injuries and such? I don't think they would trade the pick. A lot of depth talent-wise already.

Cleveland - Andre Miller at PG. A bunch or roleplayer types at SG/SF, like Jumaine Jones, Ricky Davis (has played great lately), Trajan Langdon, but nobody too great. Ilgauskas, Mihm and Diop all at center. Tyrone Hill at PF. I think they might take this package if they had the #1, either that, or trade the pick for a package with a PF, or trade down a few picks and take a Qyntel Woods or Drew Gooden.

Atlanta - PG is the biggest weakness by far. They would take JWill, No doubt about it.

New York - Have Sprewell and Houston locked up at SG and SF for a while and expensive reserves like Shandon. Kurt Thomas has been very solid as of late at PF. Camby is a big question mark always because of his health. A lot of expensive, solid pg reserves, but nobody great...Eisley, Jackson, Ward. They would not take LA's offer. I would see them taking Ming and trading Camby.

Miami - Zo and Grant upfront, Jones at SG. Role players everywhere else. There's a chance they would take the offer, but would most likely take Williams or trade down a few picks and take Woods.

Golden State - Future star in Jason Richardson at SG. Jamison having to play SF, while Fortson controls the boards at PF. They also have depth at the positions with Hughes, Sura, Mills, Arenas and all contributing there. They would not take the offer. Would be ecstatic to take Williams and finally end their PG experiments.

Phoenix - Marion at SF, Penny at SG, Mabury at PG..they would not need JWill or LA's package. They would take Ming with the #1 or trade down a few picks for Gooden.

LA Clippers - Well if they won the lottery that would just screw up everything .

Memphis - Tough call here. Dickerson and Battier at SG and SF, JWill at PG, and Wright at C. Solid everywhere, but only true future star at PF with Gasol. I don't think they would take this offer. Would probably look to get a franchise player with the pick.

Denver - Another tough call. I think they would go for a franchise player with the pick..but if they are looking to rebuild very quickly to get McDyess to stay, that package might intrigue them.

Houston - Safe to say we would take the offer if we won the lotto...unless CD and Rudy happened to become really big on Yao Ming or Qyntel Woods.

Another factor to consider though is whether Odom and Maggette would even resign with a lotto team they are traded to..

 

Yes! I think we can top that by offering Francis for the #1 pick. Francis has done more than Odom thus far, and should be able to land the top pick in the draft.

 

......probably able to out smoke most frontcourts too.



Mango

 

That was the joke Mango... hence the highlight of "smoke" and "higher"...

Damn Borg just are late with the humor...