I have a question about sign-and-trades. If a team refuses to facilitate a sign-and-trade with a player, could another team with caproom sign-and-trade him? I'm only asking because, potentially, Rashard Lewis could sign with the Bulls or Magic or Clips for 5.6 Million, something the Sonics can't match, and then be traded to us for Bryce Drew. There may be rules against this, that's what I'm asking. ------------------
I'm no capologist but I know the answer to that question is no. Also -- Rashard Lewis for Bryce Drew? Only one team in the history of the NBA would take a Bryce Drew over a Rashard Lewis... Oh yeah.... that's us. ------------------ NOTHING BUT .NET CLUTCHCITY.NET
Clutch- LOL I'm sure Milwaukee is also close to completing a deal with Seattle in which they ship out Mircad Turkcan for Lewis. ------------------ Cheaters never win. Unless you play for LA that is.
Wow, I appreciate the sarcasm, but the Bulls or whoever does it would be getting Bryce Drew for nothing, all they would be doing is doing the trade so Lewis can go to the Rockets without the Sonics getting in the way. The Clips, for example, would be a team that would be willing and happy to take Bryce Drew. It's not like Lewis would be going to them anyway. You see, Clutch, that's the way sign-and-trades work. Would you trade Penny Hardaway for Danny Manning and Pat Garrity? How about Scottie Pippen for Roy Rogers and a second round pick? But, if you knew you would be getting either Manning/Garrity or nothing, what would you take? That's what I thought. ------------------ [This message has been edited by DaFranchise (edited June 10, 2000).]
You are right, though, Clutch, that you can't sign-and-trade another team's free agent. That was just something I had never heard, which is why I asked if it was legal. It sure could've been useful here though. ------------------
DaFranchise-In some cases, nothing is better. Nothing that gives you cap room, so you can get a real something later, instead of if you're lucky, role players. It also effectively screws the player out of several millions if he wants to go to a team capped out. ------------------ Rockets fans wanted at hoopsboards.com Draft Chat, NBA Chat, Team Chat, and more!
If nothing is better, teams say no. But Bryce Drew doesn't eat up a lot of caproom, with one year left on his deal for like 1.5 million. Also, in most cases, teams don't hold big enough grudges that they deliberately screw a player out of the money. ------------------
anyhow, it'd have to be Drew and our exception, because WE have to be able to take on the salary. In other teams cases, they have to take on 9 million (BYC) and most teams won't take on 9 Bryce Drews, so they'd be more likely to drop a Laettner or Walt Williams type of contract on the team that's long term ------------------ Rockets fans wanted at hoopsboards.com Draft Chat, NBA Chat, Team Chat, and more!
If Chicago or Orlando offers Lewis $5.6M, I am sure the Sonics will find a way to match. ------------------ Sky Pilot tip of the week: The Mandalay Bay Hotel Casino in Las Vegas rules!
Maybe Seattle could do a wink for some makeup money on a future contract, but not any extra on a contract to be signed for the upcoming season. Mango ------------------ Live long and prosper. Now...back to updating The Serious Police Files.
Mango-Of course they could say that. If they were smart, they'd give him a "starting" clause, similar to Shandon. I think he's a near lock to stay in Seattle. What Payton wants, Payton gets. No more Donating Blood? ------------------ Rockets fans wanted at hoopsboards.com Draft Chat, NBA Chat, Team Chat, and more!
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Not sure why this would not work. I do not think there is anything in the CBA against it. In fact, I am more worried that this could happen with Cuttino. DaDakota ------------------
Rashard is a restricted FA, hence Seattle will match and keep him. ------------------ Sky Pilot tip of the week: The Mandalay Bay Hotel Casino in Las Vegas rules!
Sky, if the Bulls offer 5.6 mil for Rashard Lewis, and he signs their offer sheet, then the Sonics cannot keep him under their current salary limiations. They can only match up to 4.1 mil as they are capped out and Lewis has only been with them two yrs on a rookie minimum. The Rockets are in the same position with Cuttino Mobley. ------------------ Check out the Best Source for Draft Info Draftsource.net [This message has been edited by MManal (edited June 10, 2000).]
MManal, This will be fun to watch. Mango ------------------ Live long and prosper. Donate blood! Now...back to updating The Serious Police Files.
It doesn't make sense to me why this is illegal but it is. According to bskball.com's FAQ about the CBA, "under no circumstances can a team sign and then trade another team's free agent." ------------------
MManal is correct. If Chicago offered Lewis more than what Seattle can offer (~$4.1M/yr for a 2 year deal or $2.3M for a one year deal), then Seattle couldn't match the offer. If that happend Chicago would not be allowed to trade Lewis until the later of 3 months from the date he was signed or Dec. 15th. So, in this case, he'd have to stay with Chicago until after Dec. 15th. ------------------
what Aelliott is saying in his classic style can be emphasized with an obnoxious response from someone, might as well be me. There is a reaon you have never heard of a Sign-n-trade-n-trade Because you can't DO IT DaFranchise. This is Stupid, because it is ILLEGAL This thread is stupid...stupid. Please delete it before falsehoods sink into truth. Please just delete the thread. You got your answer, now I guarantee others will use you question as truth. It is not your fault for asking, but you are not talking about reality, and it will spread as truth on this board. No matter how nice Aelliott is in his response ugh. Upon further review of your thread, I see your attempt to stop the speculation. You can't sign-n-trade-n-trade, because it makes a mockery of the CBA. Mainly because the home team should only have to compete with teams with cap room, not every team in the damn league as you suggest via Chicago/Orlando/Clippers as a trading conduit. Besides, as Clutch pointed out, once Chicago got him, everyteam could outbid the Drew deal. Man, DaFrachise, talk about homey blinders you are wearing. When I make a falsehood thread like this, I just delete it and make a new topic retraction to prevent spreading. You should as well. Nevermind, I'll do it for you. hehe. ----------------- The thrill of not being an admin is you have no reputation to worry about in your posts. [This message has been edited by heypartner (edited June 11, 2000).]
