I have a legitimate question for all the liberals...

oh and

 

IGNORE

 

DD

 

im assuming you think Clinton was a socialist or communist?
man, we've really gotta get the definition of socialism down...

 

liberal = socialism/communism/anti-American/Jazz fans/hippies/french fries with mayo

Riiiiight....

 

$1 trillion in bailouts, including buying into banks


LOVE IT

 

I have a serious question too, ARE YOU FREAKING SERIOUS? Since when did ending a tax cut become socialism? Nobody called George HW Bush a socialist for raising taxes.

 

There are people who work 100 times harder than you do, and they make barely anything, while you sit on your asses and make tons of money. You people don't deserve it.

Obama should lower the heavy taxing not from 250K to 150K, but to 50K. It's only fair. We need universal healthcare. We need free college educations for everyone. And make love, not war. You conservatives are heartless, amoral creatures.

 

In seriousness, I do not love socialism and marxism. Someone who tells you otherwise is using false language to whip you into a voting frenzy.

Since I do not favor marxism, after watching the last 30 years in America, where one party (the GOP) grows government and government spending MUCH more than the other party, I am voting for the Democrats, and they have shown much more fiscal responsibility.

Small businesses and the middle class hard working people of America have a much better chance to pursue the American dream with the GOP out of power, in my view.

So your question, in the realm of "how does it feel when you beat your wife?" merits less than the response I provided, but I thought I'd try.

 

If the Republicans are supposed to be about fiscal responsibility, then why are they spending 10 billion a month in Iraq? Why did the Republicans render the budget an absolute joke and take the national debt into the stratosphere? I know the conservative talk show hosts are quick to deflect out the blame in the last eight years, but even conservative voters are tuning them out now after these lies have hit them where it counts, in the pocketbook.

I am not a liberal, and I am not a Marxist. I like retractions in govt spending, elimination of federal programs that don't work, and restorations of individual liberties and privacy rights in America. Thus, I voted for Obama, and AGAINST almost every incumbent I recognized regardless of their party. Is any of this making sense to you yet?

When most of the people are looking at you funny when you try to explain your opinions, it might be time to take a hard look at yourself. It's not about Republicans and Democrats anymore. It's about those who are pissed off for the right reasons (the economy, the war, healthcare) and those who are pissed off for the wrong reasons (Ayers, Wright, "Hussain" shocknawe!).

 

1. I think you're starting with a false premise. No one here I know of is advocating socialism.

2. I think definitions of socialism might be at fault for some miscommunication. A welfare system is not socialism. Socialism is ownership of the means of production by the people, usually through the state. Wealth redistribution is a goal of socialists, but not all forms of wealth distribution is socialist. The closest thing we've seen to socialism is the current admin's role in AIG and now banks.

3. Moreover, the socialist states you mention -- Cuba and especially the USSR and North Korea -- are not good examples of wealth redistribution. The means of production were nationalized but the benefits were not equally distributed to the people (or even distributed according to need).

4. Insofar as you may be talking about wealth redistribution, there is an American cultural current that runs counter to it. But, we already practice it here, as many countries do. When you charge different citizens different amounts for the same services without consent (through taxes) and then are uneven about the delivery of service depending on the citizen, you are redistributing wealth. I don't know if you can say it is unAmerican (whatever that means) when we've been doing it for so long, and when there is no serious effort by anyone significant in government to stop it. The only difference between presidential candidates on this score is what the redistribution will look like.

(5. Technically, East Germany and North Korea built a wall to keep their people in, not the USSR.)

 

This thread reeks of

DESPERATIN

 

OddsOn,

I have a legitimate question for you. Did your mom drop you on your head as a baby? I mean this in all seriousness.

As a natural born non-wingtard I have been raised to know the difference between socialism/marxism and a regulated capitalist economy with a progressive tax system. It is curious to me that you seem to have the mentality that you exist in a vacuum and do not benefit from living in an industrialized first world country that depends on taxes to pay for the infrastructure (physical/legal/economic) that make our prosperity possible.

So I am seriously curious and would like to know if it is a traumatic brain injury or an organic brain defect that prevents you from understanding these basic realities.

To me its grossly un-American (and incredibly wingtarded) to compare our regulated market-based economy to that of Cuba, North Korea, and the old USSR as you whine about marginally higher taxes.

Your reply is appreciated.

 

Why can't the liberals around here discuss the issues? The OP had a good opening post with legitimate questions. What does he get in return? The same liberal 'na na na na -- I won't answer the question' nonsense. This is yet another example of how incredibly superficial (and fraudulent) the Obama campaign really is. It really is. Their 'closing argument' is simply to stifle discussion, yell hopechangehope, post some Obama logo's, and then point to partisan polling data. These people are brain-dead crazy zombies.

 

these threads are soooo representative of why this party is dying since 06.

 

I do favor socialism. But sadly neither Obama's health care policy, or his tax policy is socialist.

Furthermore Socialism still rewards people who work hard enough to make more money with more money. It isn't a matter of rewarding the lazy.

Even if the tax rate was 60% the more money you earn, the more money you have. That part doesn't change with socialism either.

The question is off kilter and bias in its presentation.

I could ask "why do you conservatives not care about the elderly, children, and sick people?"

your tax and economic plans punish these people and denies them automatic health care.

I'm not in favor of Marxism or communism.

Here is the most serious question of all and it's for you.

What is happening that you believe is forced communism or socialism?

 

It has been far too long since you posted on your blog.

 

why are you a racist? answer the question, its serious

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I find it funny how an additional 3 percent on on marginal incomes over 250K makes one socialist.

Don't they realize that everyone gets the same tax rate? Doctors pay the same the tax rate as everyone as on the first 250K as everyone else.

I guess we were communist back in the 50's 60's and 70's when the top bracket were 91 percent and 70 percent.

I'm tired of people governing with their gut without thinking which is why I voting Obama this election. I used to like McCain. However, he has shown during this campaign that his temper and gut gets the best of him.