Okay, I hate trade threads... but I was just thinking (I know, thinking is a hard task, but even I can achieve it from time to time)... Why is "Meech" aka "Man Boobs" here? Is he not just an insurance policy? I mean it doesn't look like "Mr. No P.T." is gonna play any role here at all. My strong instincts tell me that he's part of a package deal. Okay who then? I doubt, for a certainty, that Yao, JJ, Stevie, or Cat is really on JVG's shortlist of "trade bait." And that said, who is? And why? "Man Nugs" is certainly of no value to us, but may be to someone in the league, probably in the East... but who goes with him off our bench? (Taking EG out for legal reasons) Wilks? A Griff? Pike? Boki? I think Boki or Pike would be packagable with "Boober" but, mind you, since they are all benchies, then it would be for someone else's benchies. So then, who would you swap the bench with considering these players may be trade bait? And remember this as the key... Who could USE "Male Jugs?"
Of those listed, I would not be upset if A. Griff or even Wilks is packaged with Amaechi for a tall point guard. My gut instinct is to offer the package to Orlando for Reece Gaines. Gaines has been a flop so far but I think there is hope for him if 1) he has an instructional coach like JVG and 2) he gets into a system that is a better fit for him (Rockets).
Okay, but who will we be able to trade to get him. Also, moving SF to PG, the Rockets still have a very short backcourt. Heck, I'd love to pry James Lang out of New Orleans or Kendrick Perkins out of Boston, but let's be realistic as Iroc It requested.
Drat the lack of edit. I forgot to mention Raul Lopez belongs to Utah. Why would they want Amaechi back?
Jazz is in the same division as the Rockets. Raul Lopez has schooled Steve two straight times. Is he John Stockton reincarnated? Probably not, but he looks like John Stockton when he plays Steve. I doubt he gets traded. He makes around $1 million.
Lopez shouldn´t be so hard to get, Utah have 3 quality pg:s and its not like lopez put up allstar numbers He average: 7 ppg, 4.2 apg
Goodness, I forgot that it's been widely reported that Utah desperately wants Amaechi back. Also, Utah feels so bad about taking our first round draft choice for next year that they want to help us out by giving us Lopez.
Good point guards are hard to get. Good shooting guards are plentiful. Utah should be able to get maybe two first rounders for Lopez. That may sound absurd, but Lopez has demonstrated he can play at a high level in the NBA at the point guard position. He can control the offense very well. How many good point guards have a good outside shot? Very few. I can name Steve Nash and Bibby. That's it. Baron Davis and Stephon? Maybe, but I wouldn't take those guys' outside shot over Nash and Bibby. I'd include Tony Parker, but he doesn't distribute the ball that much.
hehe but I meen in general,trade someone on our team that the jazz would be interested in and also have same amount of talent as Raul.......and thats not meech! he will still be on our team in that case
IROC it's thread request is reasonable and should be honored. Look at the team with the player you covet, and then consider a "reasonable" trade where both teams win. Earlier I would have suggested Jeri Welsch of Boston over Reece Gaines of Orlando, but the Celtics have no use for Amaechi. However, that said, with Raef Lafrenz injured, even Boston might now consider it (but I doubt it).
I don't see why any team would want Meech. Maybe if we ended up with a worse contract in return, or mebbe a cancer ... Just another contract to eat.
Agree, but this is one of those "grasping at straws, maybe, what if, please, please, please" threads. There are very few teams out there that need someone like Amaechi, but hope springs eternal.
I think you're approaching the trade business backward. You've listed players we don't like, and seek to replace them. You need to ask what players do we have that any other team would want? If Steve and Yao are essentially untradeable, then the only guy we have to trade is Cat. Maybe someone wants a backup center with a stiff contract, but probably not. The rest are just journeymen and no one is going to trade for anyone on our team. We are screwed. The offseason signing were stupid. The Rice deal was a huge blunder. The team is no better than last year, and they are absolutely horrible to watch. They are destroying the franchise. Fans will never return. I can't think of any way to buy jack #$it with that stupid trade exception. It's a piece of garbage. We need some real forwards bad, and the only way to get them is if someone else screws up. Good luck gambling on that. Here comes another Glen Rice, get ready. I hate this team. They disgust me.
No, you don't. Proof is that you are here. I agree with you on the trade to unload Rice. We lost a first rounder and essentially got nothing in return except the ability to sign JJ and Pike without getting into luxury tax issues. Only time will heal the wounds, but who really wants to wait two or three more years for bad contracts to expire? Saturday mornings are for wishing on stars (literally in the case of the Rockets), but we may have some sleepers in Nachbar and Ford and I have more faith in Mo Taylor (and the return of a revitalized Eddie Griffin) than most on the board. We should adapt and adopt the song "Wishin and Hopin" by Dusty Springfield.
Maybe, the question shouldn't be, "Who Can use Amaechi?", but instead should be, "What package can we put together to move him?". Here's a couple of trade ideas with Indiana that I've been thinking about lately. Trade #1 Houston sends Mobley/Amaechi to Indiana. Indiana sends Tinsley/Pollard/Fred Jones/conditional #1 pick to Houston. Trade #2 Houston sends Mobley/Moochie to Indiana. Indiana sends Tinsley/Pollard/F.Jones/J.Jones to Houston. Trade #3 Houston sends Mobley/Amaechi to Indiana. Indiana sends Tinsley/Pollard/Brewer/J.Jones/2nd round pick to Houston. Houston's Benefit Tinsley seems to have fallen out of favor with Indiana's coaches & would make a great addition to our roster, by allowing us to slide Francis over to the SG position (his true position). In his first two years, Tinsley showed the skills of a more traditional PG & had a really good assist/to ratio. Pollard would give us a solid big man (6'11" 265lbs) to platoon with Yao/Cato/Taylor at the 4/5 positions. The addition of some combination of F.Jones/J.Jones/Brewer would give us some young talent to bring along slowly for the future. Jackson/Piatkowski could hold down the SG position, until Tinsley is healthy enough to take over the PG duties. Indiana's Benefit Indiana gets a replacement SG for Miller that will allow him to play less minutes, which should prolong his career. The combination of Miller/Mobley at SG should be an unrelenting offensive barrage. With Anderson/Johnson at the PG position, I doubt they'd want Moochie, but you never know & you have to try. By trading Pollard (10.9mpg) for Amaechi, they reduce the length of that contract from 2 more years to 1 more year. Also, they're able to add Mobley without giving up, what appears to be, anyone from their 8 man rotation, with the possible exception of Brewer, & he's only played in 3 games this year. Any thoughts?
I'm not trying to shoot down your proposal, but I think it's interesting to note that Moochie has the same career AST:TO ratio as Tinsley: 2.5. Tinsley's lack of shooting ability worries me. Is he a good defender? If so, I might be interested in acquiring him, but I'd rather get Charlie Ward who is a good defender and a pretty good perimeter shooter.
Now, having looked at the trades, the problem with most of the suggested PG trades leaves the Rocks with a very small backcourt. I wouldn't mind the acquistion of Pollard and Frank Jones, although I don't think Indiana would.
