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I guess this is what they meant by "change"...

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  1. OddsOn

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    I guess this is what they meant by "Change"...


    Pelosi Erases Gingrich's Long-Standing Fairness Rules
    by Connie Hair
    01/05/2009

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi plans to re-write House rules today to ensure that the Republican minority is unable to have any influence on legislation. Pelosi’s proposals are so draconian, and will so polarize the Capitol, that any thought President-elect Obama has of bipartisan cooperation will be rendered impossible before he even takes office.

    Pelosi’s rule changes -- which may be voted on today -- will reverse the fairness rules that were written around Newt Gingrich’s “Contract with America.”

    In reaction, the House Republican leadership is sending a letter today to Pelosi to object to changes to House Rules this week that would bar Republicans from offering alternative bills, amendments to Democrat bills or even the guarantee of open debate accessible by motions to recommit for any piece of legislation during the entire 111th Congress. These procedural abuses, as outlined in the below letter obtained by HUMAN EVENTS, would also include the repeal of six-year limit for committee chairmen and other House Rules reform measures enacted in 1995 as part of the Contract with America.

    After decades of Democrat control of the House of Representatives, gross abuses to the legislative process and several high-profile scandals contributed to an overwhelming Republican House Congressional landslide victory in 1994. Reforms to the House Rules as part of the Contract with America were designed to open up to public scrutiny what had become under this decades-long Democrat majority a dangerously secretive House legislative process. The Republican reform of the way the House did business included opening committee meetings to the public and media, making Congress actually subject to federal law, term limits for committee chairmen ending decades-long committee fiefdoms, truth in budgeting, elimination of the committee proxy vote, authorization of a House audit, specific requirements for blanket rules waivers, and guarantees to the then-Democrat minority party to offer amendments to pieces of legislation.

    Pelosi’s proposed repeal of decades-long House accountability reforms exposes a tyrannical Democrat leadership poised to assemble legislation in secret, then goose-step it through Congress by the elimination of debate and amendment procedures as part of America’s governing legislative process.

    Below is the text of the letter on which the House Republican leadership has signed off.

    January 5, 2009

    The Honorable Nancy Pelosi
    Speaker of the House
    H-232, U.S. Capitol
    Washington, D.C. 20515

    Dear Madame Speaker,

    We hope you and your family had a joyful holiday season, and as we begin a new year and a new Congress, we look forward to working with you, our colleagues on both sides of the aisle, and President-elect Obama in tackling the many challenges facing our nation.

    President Obama has pledged to lead a government that is open and transparent. With that in mind, we are deeply troubled by media reports indicating that the Democratic leadership is poised to repeal reforms put in place in 1995 that were intended to help restore Americans’ trust and confidence in the People’s House. Specifically, these reports note that the Majority, as part of its rules package governing the new Congress, will end six-year term limits for Committee chairs and further restrict the opportunity for all members to offer alternative legislation. This does not represent change; it is reverting back to the undemocratic one-party rule and backroom deals that the American people rejected more than a decade ago. And it has grave implications for the American people and their freedom, coming at a time when an unprecedented expansion of federal power and spending is being hastily planned by a single party behind closed doors. Republicans will vigorously oppose repealing these reforms if they are brought to a vote on the House floor.

    As you know, after Republicans gained the majority in the House in 1995, our chamber adopted rules to limit the terms of all committee chairs to three terms in order to reward new ideas, innovation, and merit rather than the strict longevity that determined chairmanships in the past. This reform was intended to help restore the faith and trust of the American people in their government – a theme central to President-elect Obama’s campaign last year. He promoted a message of “change,” but Madame Speaker, abolishing term limit reform is the opposite of “change.” Instead, it will entrench a handful of Members of the House in positions of permanent power, with little regard for its impact on the American people.

    The American people also stand to pay a price if the Majority further shuts down free and open debate on the House floor by refusing to allow all members the opportunity to offer substantive alternatives to important legislation -- the same opportunities that Republicans guaranteed to Democrats as motions to recommit during their 12 years in the Minority. The Majority’s record in the last Congress was the worst in history when it came to having a free and open debate on the issues.

    This proposed change also would prevent Members from exposing and offering proposals to eliminate tax increases hidden by the Democratic Majority in larger pieces of legislation. This is not the kind of openness and transparency that President-elect Obama promised. This change would deprive tens of millions of Americans the opportunity to have a voice in the most important policy decisions facing our country.

    Madame Speaker, we urge you to reconsider the decision to repeal these reforms, which could come up for a vote as early as tomorrow. Just as a new year brings fresh feelings of optimism and renewal for the American people, so too should a new Congress. Changing the House rules in the manner highlighted by recent media reports would have the opposite effect: further breaching the trust between our nation’s elected representatives and the men and women who send them to Washington to serve their interests and protect their freedom.

    Sincerely,

    Rep. John Boehner (R-Ohio), Republican Leader
    Rep. Eric Cantor (R-Va.), Republican Whip
    Rep. Mike Pence (R-Ind.), Conference Chairman
    Rep. Thaddeus McCotter (R-Mich.), Policy Committee Chairman
    Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers (R-Wyo.), Conference Vice-Chair
    Rep. John Carter (R-Texas), Conference Secretary
    Rep. Pete Sessions (R-Texas), NRCC Chairman
    Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.), Chief Deputy Whip
    Rep. David Dreier (R-Calif.), Rules Committee Ranking Republican
     
  2. Landlord Landry

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    sigh, I honestly was optimistic about this administration. So far......fail.
     
  3. surrender

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    I'm sorry, is Obama responsible for Pelosi now?
     
  4. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    Oh, of course. Even before being sworn in, he is to mind-control just about everyone. You missed this somehow?
     
  5. basso

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    a new kind of politics?
     
  6. weslinder

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    I thought about posting a similar thread, but thought it would sound like sour grapes. Nancy Pelosi is out of control. This isn't a Republican vs. Democrat issue. This is a responsible government vs. self promoting two bit tyrant issue. This is a blatant power grab, and there is no excuse for it. Sam Rayburn is rolling in his grave.
     
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    I don't like it whenever the majority in Congress tries to run roughshod over the minority but the Republicans when they were in control of Congress did a lot of things to shut out the Democrats.

    Also the original piece while mentioning how Democratic scandals led to a downfall of the Democratic majority in 1994 fails to point out how Republican scandals contributed to the downfall of the Republicans in 2006.
     
  9. KingCheetah

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    F**k yeah ~ the politics of WIN.
     
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    Disappointing. But at this point, to attribute this to Obama is just moronic. He's stuck between a rock (Republicans) and a hard place (crazzzzay Pelosi), even though he's tried pretty damn hard for bipartisan cooperation.
     
  11. rimrocker

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    What is it we heard for 6 years? Oh yes... elections have consequences.

    Get back to me when the Dems threaten to do away with the Senate filibuster or hold a vote open for an inordinate amount of time or allow lobbyists to write legislation in return for promising to not give money to Repubs.
     
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    yeah I hope this isn't really what she's going to do. Ultimately it will cost them Congress like the Republican's excesses cost them theirs....but in the mean time the country suffers.....guess the cycle just goes on and one...
     
  13. Invisible Fan

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    Nahh...that never happened.
     
  14. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    yeah right, especially since this article has nothing to do with this adminstration


    THAT ISN'T EVEN IN FREAKIN OFFICE YET
     
  15. SamFisher

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    Three branches of government - fail.

    Anyway - I'm glad to see the dems in congress not act like b****es for a change. The Republican agenda was rejected for a reason - that reason is because it, like Landlord Landry's post, failed.
     
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    lol :p


    Your right, it never fails.
     
  17. Deckard

    Deckard Blade Runner
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    No kidding. I'm not bothered a bit. The GOP leadership should have considered that bipartisanship was more than a word when they were in control. Tough. I find the crying pretty amusing, to be honest.
     
  18. SuperBeeKay

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    nah, this isnt what they meant by change, thats just your own stupid conclusion probably due to political bias and preference
     
  19. juicystream

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    Almost nobody here likes Pelosi, and I'd imagine she is not popular across most of the country, yet she is right in line behind Cheney, and soon to be right behind Biden for the Presidency.

    Lucky for us we've never lost both the Pres & VP. God I hope I'm not a jinx.
     
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    reminds me of jazz players complaining after getting called for a foul.

    sorry basso, didn't mean to call you a Jazz supporter or anything harsh like that.
     

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