3-11 FG's through 3 quarters in the biggest game of his season. He can't even capitalize against Bob Horry and Horace Grant. He's just as bad as Chris Webber. Our precious capspace isn't worth Chris Webber or even Tim Duncan. We need Marc Jackson. ------------------ how could you not want c-webb?
Damn are u sniffing at the cabbages in your garden again? Seriously, you dont think Webber would be a good fit for the Rockets. I am not that high on Webber myself, but....he is bettern then what we have. Personally I hope the Rockets find a way to trade for Raheem, keep Mo, and move up to draft a center in the draft. ------------------
Now I know what that Drinking and posting thread was all about... Seriously, one bad game does not a player make. How many times have we seen TD choke in a big game before? I can't recall even once. He was practically the team's only life support in the first two games (with AD helping out some), and its obvious the guy was spent. All the great ones have had bad games, even in such vital times. Azim da Dream ------------------ Do not walk behind me, for I may not lead. Do not walk ahead of me, for I may not follow. Do not walk beside me, either. Just leave me the hell alone. http://www.clutchtown.com
I think cabbage is fooling a few of you here with the no smilies bit... might want to look at his signature. Also, if you've been here long enough to remember when cabbage posted frequently, you'd also know he isn't criminally insane, which is what you'd have to be not to want the best player in the league. ------------------ President of the Mo Taylor and Jason Collier fan club! Draftsource.net-- the premier source for draft info. Profiles, rankings, mock drafts, and more!
He never said anything about not wanting KG. ------------------ Never Underestimate the Heart of a Champion
Duncan is NOT the best player in the league. If he is the best player in the league, then the NBA is in more trouble than I thought. 22-12-2. Those stats do not scream out "best player". His nine points last night were inexcusable for the "best player". The best player is either Shaq or Iverson. ------------------ The Protrolls.com message boards! Protrolls.com! Home of Turn, Tweak, and all your demented favorites!
ZRB: I'd rather have Kobe Bryant than AI... he's a better shot, better defender, and he's LARGER, which is important. And even more, he's younger... ------------------ A few years back on the Senate floor... Phil Gramm: "If Democrats could, they'd tax the air we breathe." Ted Kennedy (jumping up): "By God, why didn't I think of that sooner!" Boston College - NCAA Hockey National Champions 2001
If you say so, but I stand by my opinion that Kobe hasn't proven anything yet- not with Shaq by his side. He plays with no heart, and that is why I dislike him. ------------------ The Protrolls.com message boards! Protrolls.com! Home of Turn, Tweak, and all your demented favorites!
"He plays with no heart." How the hell do you prove that? Iverson is the only superstar that you just cannot unequivocally question his heart. That's only because he's questionably 6 feet and refuses to prolong his career by staying out of the middle of the paint. But everyone else, heart is something just a little too abstract to prove. ------------------
22-12-2. Those stats do not scream out "best player". His nine points last night were inexcusable for the "best player". The best player is either Shaq or Iverson. Oh I see. We determine best player on stats alone? Never mind he's one of the top defenders in the league too. Never mind the Spurs typically don't score a lot of points, and win with defense. Never mind the fact he has to share with another strong big man. And never mind the fact the fact that no one in league history has been perfect every night of their life. Best player is Shaq or Iverson? Well Duncan easily outplayed Shaq in the first two games of this series-- and Iverson? Please. Kobe, Vince, McGrady, etc. are ALL better. It kind of inflates your stats and people's perception of you when you get to chunk up about 50 shots per game. ------------------ President of the Mo Taylor and Jason Collier fan club! Draftsource.net-- the premier source for draft info. Profiles, rankings, mock drafts, and more!
The Cat- And the Spurs are doing so well thanks to Duncan's brilliance. By saying that Duncan played so well, but his team still lost, is basically praising his stats. DaMan, that is just the impression I get from him. He struts around the court with this cocky look of his, shaking his head at defenders and smiling whenever he committs a foul. He may have a lot of heart, but it doesn't show. At least, not in my opinion. I suppose it isn't really a good indicator of a good player, but that is the way I feel. ------------------ The Protrolls.com message boards! Protrolls.com! Home of Turn, Tweak, and all your demented favorites! [This message has been edited by ZRB (edited May 26, 2001).]
The Cat- And the Spurs are doing so well thanks to Duncan's brilliance. I'm sorry he can't control the rest of the team's desire to win... By saying that Duncan played so well, but his team still lost, is basically praising his stats. No, I'm praising his individual play, which can be measured in many more ways than just stats and wins/losses. I can understand you not feeling Duncan is the best in the league-- there are some other good candidates. However, I watch the NBA consistently, and I still don't se the rationale in calling Iverson a top 5 player, much less the best. Duncan, Shaq, McGrady, Kobe, Carter, Webber-- these are all guys I'd rather have on my team than Iverson. The guy is amazing, esp. for his size, but I think some people are letting stats inflated due to a ridiculous number of shot attempts play too large a role in comparing him to some of these other top players. He's a great player, but would you really rather have him than any of the 6 above? I'd have a hard time convincing myself of that... ------------------ President of the Mo Taylor and Jason Collier fan club! Draftsource.net-- the premier source for draft info. Profiles, rankings, mock drafts, and more!
Anything else on your wish list besides Marc Jackson? Mango ------------------ Get it right or just don't do it! Resistance is futile....you will be assimilated. Start more Webber threads!
Apparently nobody took note of the sarcasm... The point I'm trying to get across to the anti-Webber group is that if the Lakers' defense has the ability to stifle Duncan (a better player than Webber), then we should give them credit for stopping Webber. After that Sacramento series, people started questioning Webb's reluctance to go inside. Ankle injuries aside, (maybe after Duncan's Game 3) we can now see how a swarming defense coupled with the presence of a 7'2 mammoth can force even the elite to shy away to the perimeter. There's no reason not to pursue this guy with everything we've got. By the way, Marc Jackson sucks... ------------------ how could you not want c-webb? [This message has been edited by thacabbage (edited May 26, 2001).]
Hmm, Duncan isn't all that, he only has 22-12, never mind he tore through the league in 1999 and has a CHAMPIONSHIP RING AND FINALS MVP! Man he really sucks ZRB. To say that his team isn't winning now and that means he isn't one of the best players is insane. Magic and the Lakers got swept twice in the Finals during his runs, and nobody tore into him. Duncan is the 2nd best player in the league behind Shaq. And yes I put him ahead of Kobe because Kobe hasn't shown that he can carry a team to a championship like Duncan has shown. Take Shaq off of the Lakers and put a decent center there and the Lakers don't get to the WCF. ------------------ See the three, be the three.
Webber wasn't just held down against LA, he played terrible against the Suns as well with 35% shooting. With the zones coming in, I can see him settling for that horrible jump shot even more if teams can stack up the trees in the paint. ------------------ Sell crazy someplace else. We're all stocked up here...
I didn't say he wasn't "one of" the best, I just said that he wasn't "the" best ------------------ The Protrolls.com message boards! Protrolls.com! Home of Turn, Tweak, and all your demented favorites!
thacabbage, I'll play along .... 1. After Webber has seen the Lakers stifle Duncan and generally steamroll the West, will he want to stay in the Western Conference or take safe haven in the East? 2. After you have seen the Lakers demolish 3 PF driven teams, what makes the pro Webber crowd think that Webber + Cat + Francis & journeymen will do what the Blazers, Kings and Spurs were unable to do? 3. With the upcoming changes in the zone rules, won't it be even more difficult for the Duncan & Webber types to work inside offensively against a team with a swarming defense and a 7'2" mammoth? Many BBS members have suggested one of the following ideas over the past year: 1. Sign Webber 2. Sign or trade for Duncan 3. Trade for R Wallace 4. Retain Mo Taylor 5. Trade for Brand and leave improvement at the 5 spot as an afterthought. Why is the 4 spot so much more critical than the 5? TheFreak is known for sarcasm and you are known for solid analysis, that is why nobody caught it. Mango ------------------ Get it right or just don't do it! Resistance is futile....you will be assimilated. Start more Webber threads!
Why think the Rockets could beat the Lakers with a dominant power forward such as Duncan, when other teams couldn't...simple because of the Rockets are way more talented in the 4 other positions... Rockets: Dream, Walt/Draft Pick,Cat, Francis Spurs: Robinson, Ferry, Daniels, Porter Blazers: Sabonis, Pippen, Smith, Stoudamire Kings: Divac, Predrag, Christie, J-Will The Spurs: guards/SF aren't athletic enough to even come close to being able to guard Kobe. The Kings: Divac sux, Christie and J-Will are very inconsistent. Predrag couldn't do squat against Rick Fox??? The Blazers: Whole team is insane, Pippen sux, Sabonis is slow, Stoudamire very inconsistent The Rockets: Weak at SF still, but Fox isn't all that great, but we are one of a very few teams w/ an advantage in the backcourt against the Lakers ------------------
