I can't stand _______ politician!

monkey boy and GW's b**** little Johnny Howard (australian PM)

 

I only hate mischeif makers

 

Gary Condit is guilty.

 

I can't stand _______ politician!

"any" simple enough

 

Clinton: Hey Gary...how's it going with that intern?
Condit: It was going well Bill...but you know how things go.
Clinton: Did you heed my warning and never let your wife find out?
Condit: Ummm...I think that's safe to say.
(TV in the background states that Levy is missing)
Cliton: Jesus Gary!!! I didn't tell you to kill her!!!
Condit: (just smiles sheepishly)

 

BUSH! Oh and is it just me or did Cheney croak because of his heart problems???? I haven't seen him since he was instated as VP.

 

brilliant post...

maybe you should watch some more CNN, then.

 

I do watch CNN but you do have to admit, you rarely hear of him or see him as much as any other VP

 

Personally, I think I see and hear more of Cheney than any other VP. He is often on the Sunday news programs (Meet the Press, Face the Nation, etc.). I don't recall seeing Gore on those programs that often.

Cheney has recently been campaigning for folks in the upcoming elections as well.

 

I was thinking the same thing brobek.

I can't stand Tom Delay. He's really the only one (unless you count Karl Rove). I'm not wild about Bush, but I really think he's done a marvelous job in this horrible time. Not really from a policy standpoint, but from a leader standpoint.

That doesn't mean that I still wouldn't rather have Gore in there.

 

really?? do you think Gore could do equally as well as Bush in the same scenario?? i realize it's speculation, but i'm curious what you think...

 

UH yeah but you see Bush just about every day; our government thinks it a bad idea to have the two leaders of the executive branch out in public at the same time .


silly government

 

That's a great question MadMax. Obviously this type stuff is all guess work, and I hope you don't mind if I take a stab at it?

I think in regards to Afghanistan, and the initial war on terrorism vs. Al Qaeda, Gore probably wouldn't have done as good of a job as Bush has. I think it's because the conservatives in congress wouldn't allow Gore to wait almost a month like Bush did. I think that in general Gore was seen as weak on defense.(I know that his initial budget ideas had him outspending Bush on defense, but the perception remained, despite facts to the contrary) They would have hammered him as being weak an indecisive if didn't act immediately. I don't think Gore would have been given the time to build the international support the way Bush was.

As far as Iraq I think Gore would have been better. I doubt Gore would have the hawks in his cabinet that would have brought up the whole Iraq thing to begin with. But if Gore did want to invade Iraq. I think he's more respected world wide as diplomat. He's travelled abroad more, met many of the foreign dignitaries already when he was VP, and understands the nuances of diplomatic negotiations more. Bush, rightly or wrongly, is seen as a bit of cowboy, who's prone to go to war when not necessary.(I'm not saying that's fact, just the image worldwide that Bush has) Gore would be seen more as a 'diplomacy first' type President(Again, that's just the image, I'm not saying he is or isn't.) Therefore Gore would have probably had more success building international support for any action taken toward Iraq.

 

MadMax,

Yes, I think Gore would be doing just as good a job as Bush right now. I really think that they were both decent men with good hearts (upon further thinking...I may not have thought that at the time). In fact-and don't take this as slighting Bush in any way-I think that anyone who could come close to the Presidency would be a great leader at this time.

The thing is, this is something that hit home for all of us. The only people I "know" in New York City are those who post here. However, I still get choked up everytime I watch, hear, or read about events from that fateful day. If I feel that way, like millions of Americans do, then you know that the President does as well, if not more so. Add that to the fact that these people (politicians, especially those with presidential leanings) are leaders, then you've got a recipe for greatness in a time like this.

I think that most politicians are shady, however, they also have positive attributes that lead them to that profession. For those that are able to ascend to the top level, I think the vast majority of them could've handled it as well as Bush. Again, that's not a slight to Bush, since I honestly think that it takes something special (most of the time) for someone to reach that level.

Again, this is all from a leadership standpoint, not a policy one. I wanted to add that after reading FranchiseBlade's outstanding post.

 

i guess so much of our feelings on this are tied up in what we think of how we should be proceeding against iraq. bush makes the case pretty strong, i think, to the UN. he is not backing away from his position...i'm not sure Gore would have the fortitude to do that, even if he felt like Iraq were a significant threat.

let's assume for a second that the president KNOWS iraq has nukes...let's assume he does what bush does yesterday at the UN...let's assume the president also KNOWS iraq is sharing these materials with terrorist organizations...and let's assume the UN does nothing or next to nothing. at that point, i want a president willing to lead...willing to do what's unpopular...you may think differently...but i think bush is far more willing to do what's unpopular than gore would be in the exact same scenario.

 

The problem with that hypo is that the choice to attack Iraq if all that was true probably wouldn't be as unpopular in the States.

I get your point, though, even if I disagree with it.

 

RM95 -- I understand...I would have been supporting gore like crazy in the days following 9/11...though, admittedly, i think i would have wished bush were president...nevertheless, he would have been the commander in chief..and i would have supported him, assuming he did the sort of things that bush did in the days following 9/11.

 

actually...we don't know what the president knows yet...we don't know what tony blair knows yet...we will soon.