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Hurricane Season Predictions by the "Experts" - Could be 'Extreme'

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by MojoMan, Mar 10, 2010.

  1. MojoMan

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    The so-called hurricane experts, many of whom are known proponents of the AGW agenda, have pretty consistently over-estimated hurricane activity during hurricane season over the last eight years or so. Actually, it may be longer than that, but that is enough of a trend for us to start with. The way this appears to work is that these so-called experts make early predictions of a busy hurricane season, usually along side of some carefully phrased remarks that imply that this will be attributable to global warming. Many people in the general public then become somewhat agitated by these reports, which make them wonder if AGW is therefore an issue that the government needs intervene in and do something about. As the hurricane season moves along, the initial predictions generally turn out to be exaggerated, which I believe has been the case in six of the last eight years. Around mid-summer, the "experts" begin to issue revised predictions for the season with reduced hurricane activity, but these reports are not promoted by the MSM with anything near the fanfare that the reports of the original predictions were. As hurricane season ends, the MSM basically 'forgets' to follow up on the effectiveness of the predictions made by the experts. The people who originally became so agitated by the initial exaggerated predictions will have moved on to other issues, and because of the lack of coverage, appear to be blissfully unaware of this recurring pattern of behavior by the so-called hurricane experts, and the MSM.

    So, let's just document these predictions at the outset of the season for a change, shall we? Then we can all follow along together as hurricane season progresses. To be fair, there is significant variation in hurricane activity from year to year, so maybe this year will be a whopper. But the trend has been lower in recent years, so I will believe that when I see it.

    Also, if increased hurricane activity is to be regarded as evidence of anthropogenic global warming (AGW), then what is reduced hurricane activity to be regarded as evidence of?

    In any case, here is an article predicting that the current upcoming hurricane season poses an 'above-normal' threat, and that it "has a chance to be an 'extreme' season." Maybe it will be, but the so-called experts have been so consistently wrong in their predictions, with a clear bias towards the high-side, that it seems like it could be a worthwhile exercise to watch this season play out, to find out if the experts have produced exaggerated predictions yet again.

    [RQUOTER]Hurricane Season Poses ‘Above-Normal’ Threat, AccuWeather Says

    March 10 (Bloomberg) -- The 2010 Atlantic hurricane season will be more active than last year’s and poses an “above- normal” threat to the U.S. Gulf and East coasts, AccuWeather Inc. forecasters said today.

    AccuWeather foresees 16 to 18 named storms forming in the Atlantic Ocean, with five becoming hurricanes and two or three of them going ashore in the U.S. as major systems. In all, 15 storms probably will be in the western Atlantic or the Gulf of Mexico, and seven may make landfall in the U.S., said Joe Bastardi, chief long-range and hurricane forecaster.

    “This year has the chance to be an extreme season,” Bastardi said in a statement. “Certainly much more like 2008 than 2009 as far as the overall threat to the United States East and Gulf coasts.”

    The Gulf of Mexico is home about 27 percent of U.S. oil and 15 percent of U.S. natural gas production, according to the Department of Energy.

    Only nine named storms formed during the 2009 season, the fewest in 12 years, and three of them became hurricanes. Last year was the first time since 2006 that no hurricane hit the U.S. mainland. In 2008, there were 16 named storms, and eight of them were hurricanes.

    The historical average is for 11 named storms, with six of them becoming hurricanes, two of them major. A tropical storm is given a name when its sustained winds reach 39 miles (63 kilometers) per hour, and it becomes a hurricane when sustained winds reach 74 mph.

    Major Storms

    A hurricane reaches major status at Category 3 on the five-step Saffir-Simpson scale with winds of at least 111 mph. The Atlantic hurricane season runs from June 1 through Nov. 30.

    Bastardi said he raised his forecast from last year because of a weakening El Nino, the Pacific warming phenomenon that can suppress Atlantic storm development, and because waters are warmer than normal from Africa to the Caribbean while being cooler to the north, a common pattern in major storm seasons.

    Colorado State University’s Tropical Meteorology Project made its initial forecast for the season in December, calling for 16 named storms with as many as eight of those becoming hurricanes, five of them major.

    WSI Inc. in January predicted 13 named storms and seven hurricanes, three of them major, and the Commodity Weather Group called a month later for 11 named storms, as many as five of them hurricanes.

    The federal Climate Prediction Center will release its forecast in May.[/RQUOTER]
     
  2. justtxyank

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    Increased hurricane activity is indisputable evidence of global warming. To deny this is just silly. Decreased hurricane activity is also indisputable evidence of global warming. If hurricane activity stays the same, this is also due to global warming.
     
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  3. Uprising

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    LOL. :grin:
     
  4. MojoMan

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    LOL. :)

    Very funny. Repped.

    What makes your post so amusing is that there are people who actually think this way, but do not realize the absurdity of this mindset. Of course the ranks of those people include quite a few posters here on this board.
     
  5. B-Bob

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    The idea that major hurricane activity has been increasing during the last century was largely debunked by a nice analysis by the physicist Richard Muller, for what it's worth.

    He showed (convincingly, if you ask me) that by looking only at hurricanes making landfall you make the only apples-to-apples data comparison between distant past and present. It turns out we were counting all these big cat 4 and cat 5 storms that never reached land, and there was no guaranteed way of knowing about these storms pre-satellite. (That's it in a nutshell.)

    All that aside, the data shows that oceans are currently absorbing most of our excess input solar energy (we are conclusively taking on more energy than we reflect or emit), so who knows where that leads us? You would think warmer ocean surfaces, but we'll see.

    PS1: that business week article in the OP says nothing about global warming, so it's not clear why the OP goes fishing/trolling there, beyond his long obsession with the topic of course. I hope the seasonal predictions are wrong this year, as the US has NO money to rebuild anything from a major hurricane strike.

    PS2: if we just stick to hurricanes, maybe we can bring back MadMax!
     
  6. rockergordon

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    Hurricane Forecast 2009: 6 Expected in "Average" Season
    Willie Drye
    for National Geographic News
    April 7, 2009
    Only six Atlantic hurricanes are likely to form this summer, making the 2009 hurricane season a little less active than recent years, forecasters at Colorado State University said today.

    Twelve named tropical storms will form in the Atlantic Basin—which includes the Gulf of Mexico and the Caribbean Sea—during hurricane season (June 1 and November 30), meteorologists Phil Klotzbach and William Gray predicted.

    That's down from the average of 17 named storms seen in each of the past five summers.(See hurricane photos.)

    Of those dozen storms, six will develop into hurricanes, which have sustained winds of at least 74 miles (119 kilometers) an hour.

    Klotzbach and Gray suspect two of the storms will become major hurricanes, which have winds faster than 110 miles (170 kilometers) an hour.

    The meteorologists base their forecast on cooler water temperatures in the Atlantic.

    They also think hurricanes could be suppressed by an El Niño event over the Pacific Ocean. Previous El Niños have caused upper-level winds, or wind shear, which inhibit hurricane formation, to form over the Atlantic.

    Deceptively Quiet?

    The prediction was good news to Rusty Pfost, the meteorologist in charge of the National Weather Service office in Miami.

    "I hope they're right," Pfost told National Geographic News.

    "I'd like to have something resembling normal this summer. I'm tired of above-average seasons."

    In a prepared statement, Klotzbach said that despite the possibility of fewer hurricanes, there's still a better-than-even chance that at least one major hurricane will make landfall somewhere between Texas and Maine.

    (See photos of Hurricane Ike, which struck Texas in September 2008.)

    The National Weather Service's Pfost recalled that Hurricane Andrew—the third-most powerful hurricane ever to make landfall in the U.S.—formed during the otherwise quiet summer of 1992.

    "The main thing to remember," Pfost said, "is that it only takes one storm to have a bad season."




    I guess the proponents of the AGW agenda took 2009 off?
     
  7. Xenon

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    Bastardi is a denier . I don't understand your point with emphasing his statement on this upcoming hurricane season. Maybe you should have picked someone else?

    Anyway, the big reason that the experts are expecting this season to be above normal is because conditions are similiar to 2004 which of course was a pretty busy season. It's also worth noting that outside of the Gulf of Mexico and near the coast of the US the rest of the Atlantic is well above normal especially the Cape Verde area.

    We shall see.

    Edit: it's also worth mentioning that it seems the Atlantic season has already started. Check this out.

    [​IMG]

    Yes, thats a tropical system off the coast of Brazil. Highly highly unusual. In fact no matter how strong it gets it will not get a name because no agency is responsible for that area. It might get an unofficial name if it causes some damage, though.
     
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    Oh yeah didn't want to leave this nugget of info out. Here is Joe Bastardi's 2009 prediction from May of last year.

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    Not exactly what you expected is it?
     
  9. GladiatoRowdy

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    Liar.

    Find a single example of a poster here using hurricane data as evidence of global warming. If you cannot, you are a liar.
     
  10. SamFisher

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    Every time Jorge - whoops, I mean the individual posting as Clutchfans.net poster "MojoMan" starts a GW Denialist thread - he generally uses something that supports global warming and cites that as evidence against it. This is quickly exposed like it is above.

    It is a self-contained ownage machine.
     
  11. MojoMan

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    [​IMG]
     
  12. GladiatoRowdy

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    So, you're a liar AND you don't know how to read. I have never been a democrat.
     
  13. rhadamanthus

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    This makes no sense. :confused: :rolleyes:
     
  14. SamFisher

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    It is the only graphic that Jorge 2.0 possesses, inherited from Jorge 1.0 v. andymoon circa early 2000's.
     
  15. rocketsjudoka

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    I think in 2004 and 2005 those experts you are saying exagerated things under-estimated the hurricane activity.
     
  16. MojoMan

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    When the intellectual reservoir runs dry, the name calling begins. With GR, that seems to happen rather quickly on many occasions, as was obviously the case in this thread. Once again, he has born false witness against me, which is something he does routinely, apparently without hesitation or remorse. That speaks to the content of his character, and says nothing of substance about me. I am not even going to try and engage in a civil discussion about any objections he may have to the post that I made in response to his name-calling post. That is what would make no sense.

    I have never visited a message board that I have spent any material amount of time on that has more name-calling and other similar juvenile conduct on it than the D&D Forum of Clutchfans. GladiatorRowdy has given us a fine demonstration of that kind of conduct here in this thread, and that is not out of character for him (or many others) here on this board by any means. In fact, I have come to the conclusion that the D&D forum must be completely unmoderated. If it is moderated, either the standards of moderation are so low that it is virtually impossible to detect the moderation going on, or the moderators are just sound asleep on the job pretty much all the time, which is effectively the same as leaving the forum unmoderated.

    These kinds of personal attacks and name calling are offensive, scurrilous, and extremely juvenile. Hence the cry baby picture. The kind of petulant behavior displayed by GR in this thread reminds me of a crying baby, and I am confident there are others who agree. It is a very similar type of conduct. This kind of behavior also impresses me and carries as much weight with me as somebody else's crying baby does. Which is not very much.
     
  17. MojoMan

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    Yes sir, they did.

    Good post.
     
  18. Depressio

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    What? Only 3 adjectives?

    I suppose calling someone a "cry baby" is OK from a maturity standpoint (and isn't offensive, scurrilous, or extremely juvenille), or only if it's a retort to someone calling you a "liar"?
     
  19. GladiatoRowdy

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    Stop lying and I will be happy to stop calling you a liar.

    You made a claim that posters on this board used increased hurricane activity as evidence of global warming. Since I know that claim is BS, I called you out on it and now you are upset about the completely accurate "name" that I called you?

    The only way you can prove that you are anything other than the label I clearly affixed to your forehead is by showing that your post was valid. When you do that, I will be more than happy to apologize to you for calling names, to the board for being a name caller, and to the moderators for besmirching their board with called names.

    Put up or shut up.
     
  20. rhadamanthus

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    You still make no sense. Enjoy the rest of this thread.
     

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