I just saw a commercial for the Arnold Schwarzenegger movie coming out soon. In it, he is cloned. I was just wondering what you guys thought about cloning. Myself, I think it is a BAD BAD thing. By doing it we are playing God. Making decisions we shouldnt be doing. Pretty soon we will be cloning people for spare parts. If I lose my arm in an accident, maybe I can close myself and get an arm off of that clone, etc... I dont think it is that far fetched. But to me it is very scary. Apparently there was a multi-millionaire that paid to get his dog cloned earlier this year, and it worked. Anyone have any opinions? And does anyone know how long a 'cloning' will take? Will you be cloned in a week or what? ------------------ "Her Box Started Buzzing Ever Since She Heard The CRÜE"
We're already playing God. We have abortions, we have the death penalty, etc. etc. Ethically, it could "de-define" human existence if we practiced it. We are individuals who are here by whatever means you believe in, but we are individuals nonetheless. Cloning has the potential to make us just another product off the assembly line. I think it's an awesome science, but has anyone really given any viable reason for cloning a human? As in, what purpose would it serve? I remember when they first cloned that sheep about 3 or 4 years ago, this was at the forefront of the news. I also remember that cloned animals tended to age a LOT faster than their "natural" counterparts. I'm not sure if they've fixed this uh... problem. ------------------ -------------- Did you know? Derrick Chievous sucked. It's true. -- from the ClutchCity.net "Did You Know" sidebar
I'm sitting here chatting with a friend and she's saying that her father once told her that open heart surgery was thought to be unethical in the 1960's... I'll let some of you that were around back then and remember it, let us know if that's true or not. ------------------ -------------- Did you know? Derrick Chievous sucked. It's true. -- from the ClutchCity.net "Did You Know" sidebar
I think it requires a TON more research before we can really make an ethical decision on the matter. As the Dr said, heart transplants were considered unethical at one time as well. I'm just no sure we have developed enough as a race to make the hard choices necessary with regard to grey-area sciences like cloning. ------------------ Time for a new cause.
Bioethics is a thing for philosophers... scientists are doing whatever they want to do right now, just to 'do it'. The government certainly shouldn't get in their way unless some scientist does something that is obviously immoral. Personally, I believe in 'everything in moderation'. Booze, cloning, etc. Our goal as a species is merely to propulgate and consequently make sure that we can defend the human genome for as long as possible. Cloning might help in that effort (as well as for more immediate ends such as limb replacement). ------------------ "Everyone I know has a big but... come on Simone, let's talk about your but." [This message has been edited by Achebe (edited November 19, 2000).]
We should work as hard as we can to clone endangered and recently extinct animals. Since we are responsible for their deaths, we should try to bring them back. There are roughly 6 billion people on this tiny planet. There is no reason to clone people. Bad enough that so many families end up having 10 kids, who each have ten of their own and so on. ------------------ 2000-2001 Rockets Game Formulas: End of 1st quarter: "They're playing so well!" 2nd: "What a great game!" 3rd: "Theres no way they can lose now!" 4th: "What the ******* **** happened?!!" Revote! Revote! Revote!...... Rocket's Championship 2001!!
We should clone Steve Francis a few times. Then, we could trade the clones for Garnett, Duncan, Vince Carter and Iverson. huh? ...right! ------------------ My dream job is to be a Houston Rockets towel boy.
lol fadeaway!!! but minnesota would only offer us a garnett clone, well get a duncan clone, etc....soon everyone will have the same exact team. Oh and cloning humans would be a bad thing I think. ------------------
Obviously, I'm against Human cloning. I think it'd be interesting to see what happened if in the future it became socially acceptable. But, then again being on the surface of the Sun would be interesting too. Okay, you technical nerds, since the Sun doesn't really have a "surface", how about the surface of Mercury? Or Venus? ------------------ "I have a DREAM.........his name's Hakeem." DREAMer's Rocket Page
A great deal of people have misconceptions about cloning. At least, at this moment, you would not be able to clone yourself for an arm if you lost yours, because clones are simply genetic copies of people, that are raised the same as any other child. Meaning that they create a fetus with the same genetic makeup, and it has to go through all the normal developmental stages that anyone else does. In fact, the chances that the clone would be similar to the original is very small, since his/her environment would be entirely different. I don't pretend to know whether cloning is morally wrong, but I have recently done a report on it, and I thought I might dispel any misconceptions that people might have here. ------------------ She hates testicles, thus limiting the men she can admire to Democratic candidates for president. -- John Greenway, "The American Tradition", on feminist Elizabeth Gould Davis
true runningraven... as it is defined now 'growing an arm' is silly (lest you rip your clone's arm off, which I doubt would be legal, since s/he has all of the rights of everyone else). However, genetics will be able to do some amazing things in the near future. 'Growing an arm' will be one of the more boring things they can do. Looking at my widow's peak, for example, I can't wait until gene therapy will give me an acceding hairline. ------------------ It just goes to show how skewed our priorities are when Mo Taylor makes millions of dollars while some high school teacher, that can actually rebound, scrapes to make a living. ------ If Mo were half the power forward that Charles Barkely was, he'd be 3'2" and still board more than he does now.
Genetics will be a wonderful thing indeed. Jut think of all the cures that we will potentially be seeing in the coming years. We may be lucky enough to witness the end of cancer and/or aids. In the coming decades, the genetics industry will explode like the tech industry has since the 80's. It will be an exciting time. ------------------ RocketFuel is dead!
Achebe, I wasn't singling you out on this one. I am just always amazed by how any discussion about genetics always is about cloning, when the vast majority of the genetic research is not. I also am disappointed in the fact that people place such a taboo on stem cell research and gene therapy, as the potential for correcting a number of neurodegenerative disorders and genetic diseases is truly amazing. ------------------
Come on Raven, give us some credit... it's not like we thought there were going to be Star Trek replicators we'd walk into and have identical twins pop out at the flick of a button. ------------------ -------------- Did you know? Derrick Chievous sucked. It's true. -- from the ClutchCity.net "Did You Know" sidebar
We know that many people are opposed to cloning for moral or religious reasons. So let me attempt to dispel a few pop culture pseudoscience misconceptions: 1) We will be able to clone ourselves to make a spare arm, organ, etc. Okay, this is sensationalist nonsense. A clone would be like an identical twin to you (i.e. same genetic make-up) and would age at roughly the same rate that any human will. If you were cloned at the age of 30, your clone would still be a baby, so any organs from your clone would be useless. 2) (from DoD) "Ethically, it could 'de-define' human existence if we practiced it. We are individuals who are here by whatever means you believe in, but we are individuals nonetheless. Cloning has the potential to make us just another product off the assembly line." DoD, a clone of you would not be you. This is similar to saying that each baby born in a set of triplets are not individuals, because they have the same genetic code. What defines you as a person is not only your genetic make-up, but also your environment. Switch your parents and background and you might totally have a different personality or outlook on life. 3) There would be clones of all of us. Obviously, cloning is an expensive process and will not be employed heavily and especially not on humans. People recognize issues of overpopulation and would not just crank off clones for the heck of it. 4) Cloning is "playing God". Time to become a Scientologist if you really believe this. Artificially extending our life-spans by any medical means is playing God. Deciding to go to the Middle East to kick @$$ for lower oil prices is playing God. Passing judgement and punishing criminals is playing God. Condemning other people for their moral shortcomings is playing God. 5) All genetic research is concerned with cloning. Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. What if you could isolate and correct for the gene that causes a nasty genetically dominant gene like Huntingson's disease (a neurological disease that hits you in adulthood and basically turns your brain to stew), before you were born using gene therapy? Is that unethical? What if you could administer undifferentiated stem cells to a severed spinal chord to restore the use of someone's legs? Is that unethical? What if you could correct genetic blindness using gene therapy? Is that unethical? ------------------
LP: Hopefully I didn't give you the impression that was my belief merely b/c of my excitement w/ genetics. My wife works in microarray here at HCI in Utah, so these things just get me spastic. ------------------ It just goes to show how skewed our priorities are when Mo Taylor makes millions of dollars while some high school teacher, that can actually rebound, scrapes to make a living. If Mo were half the power forward that Charles Barkley was, he'd be 3'2" and still board more than he does now.
I understand DoD, and I am sorry if I sounded at all condescending, but when I was working on a research paper over cloning, (shaking fist in the air) "Damn you, college!", you would not believe how many websites I would run across where people were arguing about cloning with some of the stupidest ideas I have heard. They were truly worried that somehow, everyone would have 5 copies of him/herself, and they would all be enslaved and forced to watch Jazz games (or something equally gruesome). It was quite frustrating. ------------------ She hates testicles, thus limiting the men she can admire to Democratic candidates for president. -- John Greenway, "The American Tradition", on feminist Elizabeth Gould Davis [This message has been edited by RunninRaven (edited November 21, 2000).]
I've been thinking.....I wouldn't mind a Tyra Banks clone!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------ Miggidy Markell says: 1. Eastcoast is da sh*t 2. Rockets rule 3. Hip/Hop is dope 4. Buy the new Ruff Ryders album! Miggidy Markell is watching Stay STRAPPED & WATCH ya back or be Assimilated.
I got an undergrad in Biotechnology (molecular bio) at RIT and worked in the field for four years. It entirely possible to clone just an arm. I grew stawberries and carrots in a test tube from a single Cell. All you need to know is how to force the cell into the growth patterns of an arm. I think that was called differentiation (my memory may fail me). We don't know how to do it right now, but we will. Add the right hormone, the correct nutrients to the petris dish, and suddenly you have an arm growing. It's not impossible. If I can do it anybody can. The other method of cloning an organ is to create a model of an arm, and then grow the cells around that model until fully developed, then you dissolve the model. Then you attach the organ. It works for ears. I've cloned all kinds of cells and forced them to do things they wouldn't ordinarily do. What you ought to consider is what else a cell might do under extraordinary conditions. Nothing is impossible. That's where you've got be worried that something out of the ordinary could happen. They don't call it experimentation for nothing. I think cloning has it's place. We've genetically engineered a lot of what you eat today. It's going to happen, and there will be mistakes, but man usually learns how to control them. Of course, we've only been around for a short time. If you want to make money, start designing software for cloning. You will be loaded. ------------------ humble, but hungry.
PSJ: Thanks for that refresher... I forgot about the mouse running around w/ an ear on its back. LOL. Get your ears! ------------------ It just goes to show how skewed our priorities are when Mo Taylor makes millions of dollars while some high school teacher, that can actually rebound, scrapes to make a living. If Mo were half the power forward that Charles Barkley was, he'd be 3'2" and still board more than he does now.
