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Human clone to be born in January

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  1. Htownhero

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    Interesting to say the least. Do you think this is a great day for science, or a horrible day for humanity?



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    January due date for cloned baby: fertility doctor
    Last Updated Tue, 26 Nov 2002 18:12:32
    ROME - The world's first cloned baby will be born at the beginning of January, a controversial Italian fertility expert announced Tuesday.


    Gynecologist Severino Antinori told reporters the pregnancy is in its 33rd week. The "absolutely healthy" fetus weighs 2.7 kilograms and has a "more than 90 per cent chance" of being born, he said.


    FROM MARCH 9, 2001: Doctors push ahead with efforts to clone humans


    In 1994, Antinori made headlines when he helped a 62-year-old woman to give birth. He defends the use of cloning by infertile couples to have children.

    Antinori said he made a "scientific and cultural contribution" to the international cloning consortium but added he was not personally in charge.

    In May, he said three women were pregnant with clones in their 10th, seventh and sixth week. Scientists challenged his claims, and Antinori did not offer any evidence of the pregnancy at Tuesday's news conference.

    Antinori acknowledged the pregnancy project took more than 30 attempts. Many doctors and scientists object to human cloning as irresponsible given the risks of deformities and the ethical dilemmas it poses.

    The fertility expert refused to say where the baby will be born or to identify the pregnant women.



    Written by CBC News Online staff
     
  2. Ubiquitin

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    Well, as long they don't allow Homer Simpson to Clone himself, I am not at protest.
     
  3. ROXRAN

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    Jim Rome will be stoked...:D
     
  5. Wakko67

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    In the immortal words of Keanu......

    "whoa"
     
  6. Invisible Fan

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    As long as clones aren't harvested for their body parts and are treated like normal human beings, I have no problem with it.

    I don't think the issue of cloning is the biggest ethical problem. It's just the door that it opens. With clones, you can make the "perfect being" because you're using the same DNA over and over again, so that if you mess up (ruin a life), you can take notes about it. And if you succeed...then you can repeat it again and again.

    Those who want a clone to replace their loved ones lost in tragedies are up for a rude awakening sooner or later.
     
  7. ROXRAN

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    true, and wouldn't there own personality be different? They may have no interest whatsoever in what their host being had for a person...

    The military might want to clone Gen. George Patton to serve as combat warriors and generals, but who is to say they would have military skill...Same thing with different examples in different fields.
     
  8. VooDooPope

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    Would a cloned person have a soul?
     
  9. PhiSlammaJamma

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    The fact that they are being born from an actual mom makes this a lot less threatening. It's not like they are being grown like corn. The only difference from invitro is that the gene pool has been pre-selected so to speak. It's unlikely there will be a genetic defect from this experiment.

    I'm interested in WHO they cloned. That's where the fascination lies for me. There is going to be three or four kids. No different than twins except for the fact that they will have a father who looks just like them. Which makes you wonder, if one of them will be named Darth Vader or Jenga Fett.
     
  10. PhiSlammaJamma

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    Actually Voo doo pope brings up a very interesting point. And a great story for a book. If you take the DNA from a dead person who's soul has already elevated, does a clone have a soul? Makes for an interesting story anyway. Could probably be turned into a movie very easily because nobody would see the ending coming at them.
     
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  11. B-Bob

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    This is the most important part of the article to read, actually. And please note that one scientist's definition of "clone" may differ from another scientist's definition. This could just be glorified fertilization and implantation that some quack is calling "cloning."

    Okay, please go back to the soul question though! Good stuff.
     
  12. A-Train

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    Just what we need. It's bad enough that we have trailor trash sluts having four kids before they get out of high school and chicks taking fertility drugs having seven kids at one time, now we can overpopulate this world even more by creating MORE kids without two people even having sex!
     
  13. t4651965

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    This is DISGUSTING!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Scientists can't even clone farm animals without serious mistakes, which can lead to shortened lives full of pain for the animals.

    Now, some a##hole wants to experiment with humans? Doctor Mengele would be proud.
     
  14. Pole

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    Well...if they have to clone someone, I hope it was Stevie Ray Vaughn
     
  15. B-Bob

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    Well, again, if I didn't make the point clearly: It's not disgusting. It's most probably fakery, hyperbole, and stupidity. The guy is not even considered a scientist. I understand all the visceral reactions, but it's worth sifting through this carefully before you believe that human cloning is actually happening. You're reading the writing of some hack newspaper writer who's writing about some hack wannabe-famous nutjob. When an article proclaiming a cloned human appears in Science or Nature, then we can get our panties in a wad, or however that cliche goes.
     

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