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Howard Dean insults the Iowa Caucus - His Arrogance Knows NO BOUNDARIES

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  1. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Read the latest gaffe coming out of the Dean camp. Unbelievable. The timing couldn't have come at a worse time! What a shame, liberals! Dean continues to come across as an angry elitist who thinks he is too good for the 'commoners'. His condescending tone and arrogance will not endear himself to anyone other than the party extremists. Dean peaked too early, plain and simple.

    The tale of the tape
    Videotape shows Dean bashing caucuses
    By John Mercurio and Steve Turnham
    CNN Political Unit
    Friday, January 9, 2004 Posted: 10:09 AM EST (1509 GMT)

    A videotape surfaced Thursday night that shows Iowa front-runner Howard Dean bashing Iowa caucuses.

    WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Apparently even Joe Trippi can't control everything. Especially when there's a videotape.

    Fallout from Iowa-gate has only begun this morning. But what's already clear is that the story of Howard Dean bashing the first-caucus state, reported last night on NBC News, couldn't come at a worse time for the Democratic front-runner, who had hoped this weekend's focus would be Al Gore's debut on the '04 retail campaign trail.

    But then, at least we won't be talking (as much) about Dean's out-of-state volunteers and the collapse of Trippi's friendship with Steve Murphy.

    The tape, from a Canadian television broadcast, shows Dean saying four years ago that the Iowa caucuses are "dominated by special interests" and "don't represent the centrist tendencies of the American people. They represent the extremes."

    "Say I'm a guy who's got to work for a living, and I've got kids," he said on January 15, 2000. "On a Saturday, is it easy for me to go cast a ballot and spend 15 minutes doing it, or do I have to sit in a caucus for eight hours?"

    "I can't stand there and listen to everyone else's opinion for eight hours about how to fix the world," Dean added.

    Oh, but wait, there's more. Unable to focus his criticism on just Iowans, Dean later cuddled up to George W. Bush. He said the president, whom he now describes as the "most radical right-wing president in my lifetime" is "in his soul, a moderate." Dean said many Democrats believed Bush would be a one-term president, and "that is going to be a mistake."

    Dean made 90 appearances between 1996 to 2002 on "The Editors," a round table of journalists and politicians broadcast in Canada and on PBS stations.

    While his '04 rivals piled on, Dean issued a statement late Thursday that highlighted his commitment to Iowa and its first-in-the-nation status. Dean didn't deny he had made the statements or claim they were taken out of context.

    "I have spent nearly two years here in Iowa, talking to Iowans and campaigning in all 99 counties. I believe it's time to stand together, in common purpose, to take our country back -- and the Iowa caucus is where it all begins. I support the Iowa caucus and I have already promised Gordon Fischer that if elected, the Iowa caucus will be first again in 2008.
     
    #1 El_Conquistador, Jan 9, 2004
  2. RocketMan Tex

    RocketMan Tex Member

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    So, we pull out a four year old tape as "evidence", eh?

    TJ, the depths to which you stoop knows no boundaries!
     
    #2 RocketMan Tex, Jan 9, 2004
  3. No Worries

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    or Republicans. Methinks that the above description fits GWB perfectly.
     
    #3 No Worries, Jan 9, 2004
  4. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Liberals:

    How will this news affect Dean's chances in the caucuses? Let's debate the issue.
     
    #4 El_Conquistador, Jan 9, 2004
  5. RocketMan Tex

    RocketMan Tex Member

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    Minimally, at most, although since Dean is not my candidate I wish it would affect him more. Most intelligent Americans can tell if someone is being whitewashed.
     
    #5 RocketMan Tex, Jan 9, 2004
  6. GreenVegan76

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    Uh, Dean is right. Special interests *do* run these things. Anybody who thinks otherwise is deluded.

    What, he can't criticize a process now? C'mon. The only people making a big deal out of this are those who won't even be involved: Republicans.
     
    #6 GreenVegan76, Jan 9, 2004
  7. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    Not very much. Most people will see these rather mild comments and shifts as politics as usual. What I'm more interested in is your motivation in attacking Dean. He will be easy to defeat, or isn't that the Republican mantra? Shouldn't you be pushing him on us foolish liberals?
     
    #7 B-Bob, Jan 9, 2004
  8. Major

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    Liberals:

    How will this news affect Dean's chances in the caucuses? Let's debate the issue.

    Oddly enough, because of exactly what Dean was complaining about, this won't affect him much. Only the crazies come out to vote in the caucuses... and they won't change their mind over something so little. If it actually attracted the average voter, it might have more of an impact.
     
    #8 Major, Jan 9, 2004
  9. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Its actually all part of our brilliant strategery. You see, we have a hated (by the left) conservative mouthpiece (in this case T_J) decry the evils of Dean. This makes him more popular with the liberals. Eventually he gets enough support to win the Dems nomination, which is exactly what we want to happen. He is later soundly thrashed in the general election. Machiavelli would be proud T_J.

    :p
     
    #9 StupidMoniker, Jan 9, 2004
  10. goophers

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    When I read the title of this thread I thought Dean said something like "All those Iowans are cowf@#*#&ers". If this is the worst that can be said about Dean I really need to look closer at him. This thread reminds me of repeated jokes about Bush's intelligence...



    LAME


    :p
     
    #10 goophers, Jan 9, 2004
  11. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    StupidMoniker (and T_J, if he has been informed of the strategy and is not merely acting as a pawn):

    I stand in awe. :)
     
    #11 B-Bob, Jan 9, 2004
  12. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    SizzleChest,

    On the political chessboard,

    I am the KING

    You are the ROOKie
     
    #12 El_Conquistador, Jan 9, 2004
  13. Woofer

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    I agree with him on the caucus stuff. When I went to Boys State I thought a 60 minute caucus was only illuminating for five minutes then it was 55 minutes arguing over the same issues. Who has a full time job and can afford to spend a day or two on this, especially in a farm state?

    On Bush, that's accurate as well. Bush ran as a moderate and rules like an extremist.

    Next question?
     
    #13 Woofer, Jan 9, 2004
  14. RocketMan Tex

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    Wrong again, Lapdance King.

    You are the PAWN...of King George II!:D
     
    #14 RocketMan Tex, Jan 9, 2004
  15. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    You're obssessed with Rocket Haiku.
     
    #15 pgabriel, Jan 9, 2004
  16. rimrocker

    rimrocker Member

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    A master politician would not bind himself to the rules, much less willingly become the King when the Queen is much more powerful. You need to think about who's playing you.
     
    #16 rimrocker, Jan 9, 2004
  17. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    From an official set of chess rules:

    "The king can move in any direction by 1 square.

    The rook is one of the more valuable pieces of chess.
    It can move in any strait line as many squares as the path is clear."

    Sounds about correct. You have been
    SIZZLED@chess
    by
    SIZZLECHEST
     
    #17 B-Bob, Jan 9, 2004
  18. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    SizzleChest,

    The king is the most valuable piece in chess. Once captured, the game is over. All other pieces function in subordinate roles, as their chief objective is to protect the king first, while attacking the opponent second.

    I am a highly skilled chess player, as you probably would guess.
     
    #18 El_Conquistador, Jan 9, 2004
  19. Murdock

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    Iowa Sen. Tom Harkin endorses Dean

    DES MOINES, Iowa -- Iowa Sen. Tom Harkin endorsed Howard Dean for president on Friday, calling him the "kind of plain-spoken Democrat we need" and giving a key boost to the embattled front-runner 10 days before the state's kick-off caucuses.

    Harkin disclosed his decision in an interview with The Associated Press. A formal afternoon announcement was scheduled at Dean's Iowa headquarters.

    Harkin's support will give Dean the backing of the state's most durable Democratic politician, a four-term senator whose organization can prove a vital asset on caucus night Jan 19.

    Dean and all of his rivals for the nomination had appealed to Harkin for backing, and the senator said publicly in recent days he was weighing whether to choose sides.

    In the interview, Harkin praised Dean's straightforward approach to campaigning, saying it brought a breath of fresh air to the campaign trail. He said the former Vermont governor is "the Harry Truman of our generation. Howard Dean is really the kind of plain-spoken Democrat we need."

    For days, Harkin had toyed with a decision. He decided Thursday night to endorse Dean, notifying him with a telephone call. Dean left the timing of the announcement to Harkin.

    Dean was campaigning Friday in New Hampshire but planned to return to Iowa during the weekend. Aides said they were looking at ways to modify the schedule to allow the Dean and Harkin to meet and discuss campaign strategy


    http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/0104/09harkin.html

    Yeah Dean's in real trouble in Iowa :rolleyes:
     
    #19 Murdock, Jan 9, 2004
  20. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    Yes, yes, your one-square abilities have been well documented, as has your unshared self-perception of being the most important tool in the game.

    You will note, however, that you have never retracted a comment, even when proven wrong by mountains of evidence. This leads me to believe that you, as a chess tool, are unable to move backward. The conclusion as to your actual chess identity is sadly obvious.

    [​IMG]
     
    #20 B-Bob, Jan 9, 2004
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