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How Tough Will It Be to Keep Landry This Summer?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by emjohn, Feb 27, 2008.

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What do you seeing happening this summer?

  1. Landry resigns with us for a deal like Hayes'

    47 vote(s)
    36.4%
  2. Rockets burn the MLE to get Landry to stay

    73 vote(s)
    56.6%
  3. Rockets S&T Landry to a top bidder

    2 vote(s)
    1.6%
  4. Rockets lose Landry to team offering more than the MLE

    7 vote(s)
    5.4%
  1. emjohn

    emjohn Member

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    I want him locked up, you do too. The trick will be what it takes to do so, and if we may have goofed not giving him a two year deal.

    Because he's a one-year guy becoming a RFA, we don't have Bird or Early Bird rights to help fend off outside offers. If I am correct, we are going into the summer above the salary cap in committed dollars, which will limit us to the MLE as the most money we can offer.

    Memphis, Sixers, Wizards, and Sonics should all be well more than the MLE under the cap. A few other squads like the Clippers and Heat might be also.

    Big men get overpaid, because everyone's desperate to land a young one with talent. I'm not saying it's likely, but I am starting to fear a bidding war that we may not be able to win.

    Does Carl show loyalty?

    Evan
     
  2. count_dough-ku

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    We'll match whatever he gets offered. He's a key rotation player we can't afford to lose. Especially with Yao being so injury prone.
     
  3. ClutchCityReturns

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    I believe he shows loyalty and stays here where he already knows he can be a successful role player. I'd say somewhere in the 10 million over 3 years range.

    At least I hope so.
     
  4. RunninRaven

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    I think the point is, though, that since we don't have his Bird rights, if a team offers him more than the MLE, then the Rockets WON'T be able to match it since we are over the cap.
     
  5. txppratt

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    i bet he stays for cheap.

    RED ROWDIES: make it easy for him to stay. always show him LOVE!
     
  6. Drexlerfan22

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    I guess it's not impossible, but I don't see this being another Boozer situation.
     
  7. count_dough-ku

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    What's the current MLE? Would a team really offer him that much money after only one season(really a half-season since he was riding the pine before '08)?
     
  8. JBIIRockets

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    The Rockets better do whatever it takes. He's gonna be around for a while.
     
  9. Air Langhi

    Air Langhi Contributing Member

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    You never know. I think there is a conundrum; the better landry plays the better chance he is gone.
     
  10. xiki

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    The 'wild card' IMHO in the Landry scenario is what happens with the Rockets and the playoffs.

    Regardless of CL's stats, if the Rox miss the p/o's then his value is lessened.
    Regardless of CL's stats, if the Rox are one and done then his value is not enhanced.
    Regardless of CL's stats, if the Rox make a p/o run then his value is heightened.

    For the record I expect he'll get 'Hayesed'(, and that Hayes and Head are going to be marketed).
     
  11. Carl Herrera

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    1. I don't believe league rules allow an above MLE contract to be offered to Landry. It's the Gilbert Arenas Rule..

    2. Rockets will have to burn a least a big part of the MLE to keep the guy, or maybe all of it, depending on the length of the contract.

    3. My guess is Landry signs up for 2 more years, at about $3-4 million each, this gives him some security, but also allow him to get paid (with Bird Rights) if he continues to get better. They might throw in a third player option year (or partial guarantee for the 3rd year) to give him some more security.

    I don't see a big deal with the loss of MLE, because I'm not sure if there is any good players out there you can get for the MLE anyway. Besides, Uncle Les is unlikely to both pay Landry what he's worth (at least $3-$4 million) and use the MLE.
     
  12. jev5555

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    I thought the team had an option on him. Can anyone confirm?
     
  13. count_dough-ku

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    He's a restricted free agent. Unless some other team offers him an ungodly amount of jack, he'll be a Rocket for the forseeable future.
     
  14. mlwoo

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    Landry will not get the full MLE.

    Everyone knows what he can do, and he is good at it.

    I just don't see an undersized pf with very limited range and ball handling ability getting a huge contract his second year. He benefits from Adelmans offense and plays his tail off, that's why he's good.
     
  15. juicystream

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    Hoops Hype says that there is a team option:

    Rockets Salaries
     
  16. Old Man Rock

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    The Gilbert Arenas rule makes him a restricted free agent. Which means we can match anyone’s offer under the CBA’s provisions. Which means we can match anyones offer using the MLE, LLE, or any amount we are under the cap. We will have our LLE but that won’t be enough. So now it depends on how much another team is willing to offer him. If they offer the whole MLE we can match and secure his services. If some crazy team under the cap sees Landry as a franchise type player and they are willing to give him more than the MLE than we will be screwed. Since there will be only a few teams under the cap and a lot better franchise type players available I don’t think anyone will offer Landry more than the MLE. So they chances are good we keep him but not absolute. I suspect he will get around 3-4 million you suggest... that’s what Amir Johnson got last year as a promising player for Detroit
     
  17. kaleidosky

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    it's wrong
     
  18. poprocks

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    You're right unless he does a Bonzi Wells and plays outta his freaking mind during the playoffs , averages 20 ppg and 10 rbg, and takes us deep into the Championship game. Then, we are totally screwed because everyone is gonna want him.
     
  19. LFE171

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    Great comparison. I think he'll get 3MM deal. If anything, his agent will probably tell him he wants his client to get paid more than what was bonzi's discount rate at 2.5MM. Can't really say much bout the loyalty but from this kid's perspective its like this:

    "I played like a hoss at purdue, and I thought I was going to be in the first round. Rockets went out of their way to buy the 31st pick, select me, made me an integral part of the offense AND traded away a vet because they believed in me"

    Man...if my work place ever did that kind of sht for me, I wouldn't mind staying for a decent raise (which is what he'll get AND more). We showed loyalty/faith in carl, HOPEFULLY he'll see the same too.

    But the nba IS a business and all. And having mo money is grrrrrrrrreat :D
     
  20. BimaThug

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    Once again, if Les Alexander is willing to pay Landry the money, there is NO WAY that the Rockets will not be able to match any offer sheet for Carl.

    Even if Landry plays at a superstar level and takes the Rockets to a championship this season, no team can offer him a contract with a starting salary above the MLE. Teams significantly under the salary cap must construct the offer sheet such that Landry's first year salary was at the MLE level, with an 8% raise for Year 2. In the third year, the salary could skyrocket to what amount was available, given the offering team's cap room THIS summer (2008). Still, because the first year salary is at the MLE level, and assuming that the Rockets don't use the MLE on anyone else, then the Rockets will ABSOLUTELY be able to match any offer for Landry. Again, this assumes that Les Alexander would be willing to suffer the luxury tax consequences to do so.

    For more information on this concept (dubbed the "Gilbert Arenas Rule"), see the following link:

    http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#37
     

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