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How slow is too slow for Ming

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by wizkid83, Nov 16, 2002.

  1. wizkid83

    wizkid83 Member

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    Look I've read all the arguments about Ming Earning his minutes, Team over Ming to win games must sacrifice his minutes, bring him along slowly, him too tired. Well the only thing that would've made sense tonight would be him being too tired, but he didn't play any of the fourth and just bairly 4-5 minutes in the third, after the long break he had, u think he would be good for another 5 min? No we needed Ming tonight and Rudy didn't play him enough, pure and simple. U don't think having a 7'6 guys in the lanes gonna change shots/plans near the end of the game? I think so, sure he hasn't had a lot of blocks and ppl took him on a couple of plays but realize almost every team that plays against him has to alter shots or strategies, I would've like to see more of him tonight damn it was a close one. Offensively he was great tonight, no question so why not let him play just a tad more, i don't know what Rudy's thinking.
     
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    I was really hopping Rudy could put Ming in the final 2 minutes. Ahh, well, never mind now. Win or lose, it's all Francis...
     
  3. NewYorker

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    Ming looked a bit better, but geez, he has to learn how to rebound. I think that's one of the big things that keeps him off the court.
     
  4. saleem

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    He was doing well on the offensive end but got into foul trouble and wasn't able to rebound or defend well. He did give us some energy while he was on the floor and should get more minutes per game on this stretch.
     
  5. wizkid83

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    Sure Ming needs to learn how to rebound better, but on this team Francis seems to want to dominate the boards. Remember last year or two years ago, most of our big guys don't rebound (number wise) that well becuz Francis would go after them on the defensive end. Yao Ming being the new guy and tenative, prolly let steve or some one else on his team get the rebounds if they have the same chance as he does. Is it a bad instinct yes, but tonight his contributions outweighs his problems and he should've been on the court. I would go as far as to say that the ROX tongith would be better with him on the court.
     
  6. feishen

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    He didnt see Ming lose rebounds on any clear ball that he could win tonight. He either tipped away or grab it. He had 1 block and 1 steal as well. His offense is awesome tonight, he almost milked out every touch he had on the offesive end with some points. He only played 13 min!
     
  7. Cipherous

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    Also, Rudy commented on how Suns were beating the rocks on the fast break and Yao just wasn't hustling down as Taylor and Thomas were so Rudy decided to take him out. I guess if the Rocks gave Ming some PT, he might be a risk or less of a sure thing then Cato, Thomas or Taylor. But one thing for sure is that they need to play some set offenses instead of playing some pick up 5 on 5 type game.
     
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    Your theory is that the team doesn't rebound well, because Steve hogs the rebounds?

    They are intimidated by his rebounding?

    A huge part of rebounding is desire. Steve has that desire. Barkley will tell you he was able to outrebound taller guys because he wanted it more. Also I think Steve rebounds are needed by the team. The idea that any player shouldn't go after rebounds is very questionable.
     
  9. wizkid83

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    I wasn't dissing Francis, I luv the little guy, he makes the team better, Im glad for his heart, Im just saying that Yao Ming wasn't that ineffective in the game and he should've played more.
     
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    If this was indeed what Rudy said, I am gonna frame it and hang it in my office.
     
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    Sure Ming got things to improve. But we need to play better defense. All those fouls were on helping out his teammates who lost their men. How many minutes did he play? Any one here knows.
     
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    I don't think fast break was caused by Ming. Defending fast break is the responsiblity of perimeter players. You don't ask you centre right under the the other side of basket to come back in time.

    Our fast break were usually caused by our guards tried to penetrate but turnovered the ball or missed short. Then they were deep inside and could not come back in time to defend.

    If that play was for our guard to penetrate, the 3 should cover his position. But too many turnovers really killed us as well.

    Yes, Ming deserved to play in the last two minutes. Why not make the change, it was obvious that the small line up did nothing in the last few minutes.

    :)
     
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    That was bull. We lost because we couldnt stop their guards from penetrating. We didnt get kill on the board when MIng was in there. Just look at Sun's assists, that tell the whole story. Once they shut down our guards, we have no other consistent options. Thats why we need team-oriented offense. So much for the guard-oriented play. SF probably was hurting from the fall in last game. But I think he was getting tired from guarding Marbury.
     
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    We lost because of the missed free throws by Mobley, but we still should've given Ming more minutes.
     
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    I have been all for bringing Yao along slowly and letting him rest. However, he should have had at least 7-8 more minutes tonight. That was kinda disappointing.
     
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    Yup. If he got more PT and more points, it would give him a huge confidence burst.
     
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    There player penetrated, we had no inside presence besides Griffin, i say a Griffin and Ming inside would be hell a lot more intimidating than Griffin and Rice or Motay. Not that I'm saying we should start playing Ming 25 min every game, but definitely more this game, a lot more.
     
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    Look, if you didn't watch the game but check the boxscore, I can't blame you.

    Actually Ming did reasonablly well on boards also, he has a lot of ball tipped to his teammate. Ming didn't get the credit on the boxscore, but Rockets kept the ball.
     
  19. TheReasonSF3

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    New Yorker:
    If you don't watch the game then there is no way that you can critizice Ming. He played great.
     
  20. acrophobia98

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    Yeah, Ming got quite a few tips to teamates not recorded in his statistics.

    :)
     

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