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How School Voucher Programs Hurt Students

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Amiga, Jun 6, 2023.

  1. deb4rockets

    deb4rockets Contributing Member
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    Here's my little rhyme you can use your own imagination or creativity to fill in blanks.

    Abbott is the guy who steals from the poor to feed the rich. He is a cold hearted, greedy, rich billionaire coddling _ _ _ _.
     
  2. Ziggy

    Ziggy QUEEN ANON

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    So, anyone qualifies? No income cap?
     
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    wheels celebrating the chance to take more money from Texas public schools to help rich people pay for private school tuition..
     
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  5. Kim

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    Not the final iteration of the special session, but we'll see what the new bill will be. It's probably going to be limited at first, but then expand.
     
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    I really don’t understand how they think this will improve the schools. The reason affluent area schools typically do better is because the parents are more involved and have money. There is an expectation of good grades, work being done and if the student struggles the parents have funds to shell out for private tutoring, test prep, therapy, etc.

    I’d like to move inside the loop but HISD high schools, even those in the affluent areas are terrible. Apparently if you live in the Heights, Rice Military, River Oaks, etc areas sending your kids to a private high school is the norm. From my research those schools are $30k plus in tuition. If these vouchers passed and I received a $8k discount that might entice me to pull the trigger.

    However, what will likely happen is the expensive private schools will start getting more applicants and just raise tuition until that $8k is no longer a discount anymore.
     
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    This is exactly what's happened in the states where this is already employed. They're still not taking "those kids."
     
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    Ziggy QUEEN ANON

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    Does it apply to religious schools? Assuming it does. Not somehow unconstitutional? Assuming not since other states do it.
     
  9. Jugdish

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    Why would you think they're trying to improve schools?
     
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    Break the Public Education Monopoly
    It’s time to free America from the teachers’ union-dominated public school model.

    https://www.city-journal.org/article/break-the-public-education-monopoly

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    State laws and constitutions guarantee all children in the United States the right to a publicly funded education. That doesn’t mean a right only to a public school education. The Supreme Court has recognized, in cases such as Zelman v. Simmons-Harris and Plyler v. Doe, that states have broad authority to provide education through multiple public and private avenues, so long as all children have access to a basic education, regardless of race, sex, immigration status, and other constitutionally protected factors.

    For American teachers’ unions, however, state education mandates mean funding public schools only, excluding all other taxpayer-funded options. This self-serving mythology seems to say that it is impossible to consider any other means of improving student outcomes until all public education dollars get poured into the public school system. This narrative facilitates union efforts to hide and excuse the poor performance of some public school teachers. It’s also wrong on the facts.

    Contrary to the teachers’ unions’ claims, private school tuition support doesn’t come at the expense of traditional public schools. If a student opts to attend a private school, the money that would have paid for a public school education for that student instead goes to the school that educates them. The amount of that support does not exceed the school’s tuition costs, which, in most cases, would be much less than what the public school system has spent to educate the student, resulting in taxpayer savings. An analysis by the Illinois Policy Institute determined that, for every public school student in Chicago who transfers to a private school by means of an Invest in Kids scholarship, the state saves nearly $12,100.

    Consider the argument from opponents of the Supreme Court’s recent decisions on student loans and affirmative action. They say that they want to achieve equity through expanded higher-education opportunities. Yet the higher-education system is a model of government-supported school choice: 57 percent of students from four-year private nonprofit institutions graduated with student debt. The federal government guarantees much of that debt. Why, then, should supporters of this system oppose K-12 school choice, especially when it targets low-income families?

    In an analysis of voucher programs, the Thomas B. Fordham Institute found “overwhelming evidence that competition helps public schools.” Many U.S. states have empowered localities to replace underperforming public schools with proven models that promote competition and parental choice. Rather than continue to direct limited funding into traditional public schools, state and local policymakers should follow the lead of these states and devote resources to alternative education models with proven track records.
    more at the link
     
  11. Dairy Ashford

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    Then you'll get a bunch of pop-up bible academies, coincidentally with a tuition of $8,000; because there's a layer of parents who will do anything to get away from ethnic diversity, sex ed or LGBTQ references of any kind.
     
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    Teachers and educators are barred from collective bargaining in Texas.
     
  13. DaDakota

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    In 1968 Finland Outlawed for profit schools they have been number 1 in education for almost 20 years.

    DD
     
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  14. Kim

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    A recent SCOTUS ruling a few years ago in Maine overturned prior precedent and probably allows for this program.
     
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