How much will Denver lose by?

stupid thread.

 

thats not what you guys were saying before. thats not what it looked like on the court.

had we not traded, you guys would have bashed us for not traded and laughed at how we go nowhere with van exel and raef (like you always did).

i like where kiki is going. itll require one helluva season next yera (20 wins max) but its worth it.

 

It's all relative. Making a trade that seems that stupid is worse than doing nothing at all. The reasons people's opinions might have differed before is because we couldnt concieve of the final result.

 

NugzFan & Nuggets4

first let me say i feel for you at this time during the quite apparent state of things in Denver. but i'm starting to believe the spin that has been put on this thing though...dumping all those obnoxious salaries for one expiring one next year in hind sight is a good move long term. of coarse short term is another story and one you have to suffer through personally.

if i were Nuggets GM i would have a fire sale this summer...beg McDyess to opt out of his contract trade everyone of value for draft picks this year and next. i personally don't think Duncan will leave SA at all but that's just my opinion. but there are other opportunities.

you guys could be the nexted sucess story in a very short time if smart decesions are made with the cap space and draft picks...hang in there........this might be a blessing in disguise.

 

would you if francis demanded to be traded no matter what and would never play for you again?

and lets say you get to keep griff (since we did with dice).

think about it then. would you really want to be stuck with no cap space forever and a team that at best, could ever win 35-40 games? id defintely sacrifice a few crappy years at a chance, albeit a small chance, at making the playoffs. better than no chance

 

well id rather keep dice if he wants to stay, since 25 mill or so in cap space is enough IMO

but we have a chance, unlike chicago, to turn this around much much faster. we just have to draft better, make a smart trade and let the guys develop right under a good coach. they had teribble coaches, one of the worst organizations in sports and a terrbile gm. we dont have that fortunatley.

speaking of duncan, i think hell leave (not to denver...orlando) cuz if he really wanted to stay in SA he would have signed a true max contract. instead he did knowing he can leave next year cuz the spurs are going down fast.

 

I just want to say that I agree with Nugz on pretty much everything in this thread.

Next year's gonna suck, but we're used to that. On to the future!

 

I disagree, I am pretty sure he likes it in San Antonio. Jason Kidd has said he would love to play with Duncan...And I doubt both of them would head to Orlando. With an addition of Kidd/Whoever they sign and resignings of key players in the next couple seasons, the Spurs still have playoff seasons ahead of them.

 

I agree with you guys. This trade makes sense for you. VanExel was slowly dragging you down, so you payed the Mavs in the form Raef, who's contract expires at the end of the year. You get saddled with the big salary, but you can at least move forward. I also think that McDyess & Howard fit together real well on the floor at the same time.

I think you guys did about as well as you could, given the situation.

 

what happened to "I hate my life." Or was that the other Nuggets fan? Personally, I think the trade was absolutely horrible and possibly rates as the most lop-sided trade I have ever seen! But if it was the best trade they could do, and they felt they couldn't wait until the offseason to try and find something better, then it was probably the only thing they could do. But it doesn't change the fact that it was a very bad deal. They get the most overpaid player in basketball and a point guard who is long past his prime, and they give up one of the league's best point guards and one of its best centers, both of whom are either in their prime or haven't reached it yet. I'm wondering if they should have just tried to stick it out the remainder of this season and tried to make some sort of deal involving high draft picks this summer.

I really don't see how they could not have found a better deal for those two players, especially with how rare it is to find a good center these days. Remind me why the Nuggets felt they needed to trade Raef. I mean looking at the trade you would think its kind of a "we have to get rid of some trouble-makers" type of deal. I completely understand wanting to get rid of Van Exel, but was Raef causing problems or something? Does he have a big contract that they wanted to get rid of? I just don't understand.

 

That was me. Still not as excited as some about this deal. Looking into getting tickets to Sunday's game against Dallas. That should be fun.

 

there is no way the spurs can keep their core and then sign kidd. besides, if kidd leaves NJ why we he choose SA over DEN (considering where mcdyess is?).

 

1 - you think its horrbile cuz you are still comparing stats and you are mad that the mavs got a ton better

2 - find a better deal for all 4 of them? almost impossible. basically it was down to 3 teams that could afford them and the NY/POR couldnt give us the cap room we wanted. dallas could.

raef HAD to be thrown in or else why would dallas do it? you guys need to look harder at this deal. its somewhat complicated.

 

1 - I think its horrible because the two players the Mavs got are quite simply better than the two players they traded and I am not mad that the mavs got a ton better.

2 - Oh, I'm sure I could find better deals, but there's no way for me to know if other teams would be willing to make the trade. I can only speculate.

Its just sad that they had to "throw in" the second best center in the western conference just to get rid of an unhappy player. It would have almost been like the Pacers throwing in Jermaine O'neal to get rid of Jalen Rose. But if Lafrentz was going to leave anyways when he became a free agent, I guess it doesn't really matter. And I realize there's all sorts of salaries, contracts, etc. to take into consideration. But just looking at the talent exchanged in this trade, I've already said it's one of the most ridiculous trades I've seen.

 

1- obviously talent wise we got completely and utterly screwed beyond belief. whos denying that?!

2- considering the lux tax and only 3 teams (dal, ny, por) would even consider trading for nve/raef/taw/aj its impossible to find a deal that would give us the cap space in 2003. impossible.

3- we threw in raef, to dump nve/taw/aj and start over. we werent winning with nve/raef so why not take the chance? at least save a few bucks to be used later.

the comparison to indy is wrong. (1) it was easier to trade rose as he didnt make stupid demands like nve (2) oneal is an all star, raef is not (3) indy is an established team, we were going for cap space...

but yes, talent wise its maybe the most lopsided ever.

 

Duncan and Smith should come off the cap soon. Robinson, at this point wont be as big a lossas it once was. Smith is still a threat from outside, but I think an addition of Kidd and a first rounder or two should make up for losing them.

Duncan is a better basketball player than Mcdyess is.

 

well if TD comes off the cap, then why would kidd even go there. duncan would be gone.

IF (huge huge if) kidd decided to leave and had to choose between SA w/ duncan or DEN w/ dice we have the advantage. first they are buds, 2nd our new arena (SA might be getting one soon though), and 3rd wed have 2 season just start on the spurs with two top rooks by then...the spurs would have 0.

i know what your trying to say, but its just flawed a bit.