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How long will Ming stand for being a bench warmer?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by forenzi, Nov 10, 2002.

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  1. forenzi

    forenzi Member

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    By the time Yao gets a decent amount of minutes and starts showing his skills, his contract will be nearing an end and then he will thank Rudy for being so patient with him and then sign with a different team. If this happened I would not blame him. I can imagine how frustrating it must be to see day in and day out your guards dribble and shoot. I think Ming is scared to shoot the ball cause he thinks cat or francis might not like that he is taking one of their would be shots away.
     
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    I dont think he should be on the court. We are fighting for a playoff spot. There is no time for "experimenting". If he is frustrated about anything, it is probably the fact that he has a long way to go before he can make any impact in the NBA. He needs to work on things off the court before he can show it on the court.
     
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    In the NBA big men with a .375 shooting percentage usually dont get a lot of shots, When yaos shots start dropping, and I think they will, he will get more oppertunities to shoot. As he earns it, his playing time will also increase.
     
  4. forenzi

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    I hate to say this but Cato will need to get hurt so that Rudy can see that all Ming needs is confidence, the skills are already there. We have all seen him play against the U.S.A. and other top nothc teams in the world championships and he was named the best center in the tournament. If Cato gets hurt now it would be better for this team in the long run. Ming just needs about 5 games where he plays about 30 minutes to adjust, but with 7 minutes a game it will take 80 games. We would do much better in the playoffs with an experienced Ming than with our current Cato. All this nonsense about sacrificing games by having Ming in instead of Cato is foolish. If Ming played the amount of minutes Cato is playing right now Ming would have better numbers than Cato.
     
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    Ming hasnt been given a chance to earn anything? Ming needs the chance to earn it first. He has shot 14 shots in 3 games.
     
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    Correction, 15 shots in 5 games.
     
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    forenzi:

    Don't worry about Yao Ming. I think he will be fine. I have to admit that I thought Ming could contribute immediately. Because after the draft everybody here said that the guards of Rockets were very good and Cato was very bad. So most people including myself thought Ming is "perfect" for Rockets and Rockets is "perfect" for Ming. From what I have watched so far, the fact is the guards are too good so that they have taken most part of the offensive work and Cato is very solid so that he can take care of the defence now. Plus Ming is adjusting to NBA and Rockets. It's natural that he cannot get many minutes right now. Because he cannot contribute on both sides of the court (or Rockets don't need him to contribute because they have very decent players now).

    I agree that Ming needs time to develop. But did you say Rudy will bench him for three years? I don't think so. Just wait and see.
     
  8. forenzi

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    I dont think Rudy will bench him for 3 years but I do beleive that he will give him garbage minutes for 2 years and personally if I was in Ming's shoes I would remember that when my contract is up especially if I felt I could have contributed more. I have seen Yao play and I know that he is not what he has displayed so far. What you are seeing right now is a person who is nervous and with no confidence that is all. This can get the best of you. What bothers me is that it seems like our team is doing nothing to help him with this. He has been open many of times and he has been passed up. I personally think that when your pointguard leads the league in scoring it means we have a problem.
     
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    Rudy will give him chump minutes until the latter half of this season when he finally gets his 1.) strength back 2.) adjusts to the NBA game.

    I really wouldn't worry about Ming, much less worry about him signing with another team b/c he is gettin chump minutes after what only about a month of being in the USA. He'll be fine.
     
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    Yada, yada, yada....

    5 games and you are b****ing like this?

    How do you know, yes hand on your heart and ask yourself, that Rudy will play Ming garbage minutes in 2 years?

    Save your crystal ball buddy.
     
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    If this is true then he will never be a success in the NBA and when his contract comes to an end and he wants to leave so be it. Because if you are correct and he is never good enough to break into the starting rotation during his contrat than it would only show that Ming was not the player that Rudy thought and we made a major blunder in drafting him. However I have more faith in Ming than you much more because in time I believe he will improve and under Rudy he will only get better... and in spite of his weak start by the end of the year he will be playing signifcant minutes and become a solid defender and intimidator and his shooting touch will comeback and he will make more than a few Espn highlight films and he will be fortunate to get some legitimate playoff experience on a solid Rocket team in his rookie year that Jay & Jason wiliam'ses won't have for years... And eventually he will be a solid NBA plaayer if not a star... But of if you don't agree than maybe you don't understand his trials now are very normal for any rookie in the league let alone someone like Yao who has so much to deal with and perhaps you don't see his inner character that makes me believe he will not allow himself to fail as you seem to think...
     
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    Old Man Rock:

    I hope this is not the case but if Rudy plays Ming 13 minutes a game for the rest of the year even if in those 13 minutes he averages 4 points and 2 rebounds would you still feel the same? I am upset because I think this will happen but I do hope that I am wrong. All I am saying is that I fear that Ming will never get a chance to learn from his mistakes and feel comfortable with the current playing time.
     
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    If Ming only gets 13 minutes a game than that's all he would deserve. And while you may not believe this Rudy wants Ming to be a sucess than you do and he believes that he will be more than you do... And he will do whatever it takes to help Yao succeed with one exception. He will not risk losing a game to get Yao playing time... So right now in practice Yao always play's all the minutes. he is always out there, Rudy sees to it and while others are getting breaks Rudy and the Staff are working with Ming and sometimes they stay after practice and continue to help Yao acclimate himself to the NBA... and already I see some improvement and it will only get better but it's not going to be a night and day kind of transformation and you will hardly even notice that every game he is getting better but one day in the second half of the season you will see Ming make a beautiful pass to an open Taylor, block a shot and do a 360 slam dunk on Lafrenz and you will say to Yourself Damn that Ming is a playa and you will forget about the beginning of the season... It happened for Eddie last Year and it will happen for Ming... He is too good for it not to happen. Just be patient
     
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    Now I know what the feeling is when you sit on bench. It's not frustrated, or depressed.

    It is REAL BORING. :D

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    The Rockets own Yao Mings rights for the next 4 years so if he is still sitting on the bench by then I'm sure no one will mind seeing him go.

    I for one think he will turn into a stud and be a star in the next year or two. But Rudy will not start him at the expense of winning and I don't blame him.
     
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    Or sit on the floor.
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    Forenzi, how do you expect Yao to play 30 min a game? He would foul out in 20 minutes. Also, Nachbar is more NBA ready right now than Yao. Yao Ming has a long way to go until he gets solid minutes. Dont point fingers at Rudy. He wants to win.
     
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    The best thing for Yao Ming is to be a bench warmer who plays a few minutes a game until everyone forgets about him or even better writes him off.

    If that happens, he might actually be able to make a contribution. In any case, Yao doesn't seem like the kind of player that excels under tremendous pressure...at least in his current form.
     
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    Let's give Rudy till the All-Star break before giving Yao Ming some serious minutes. Right now, the priority is to put a nice number into the win column. And I don't think Yao Ming has enough 'smarts' in him right now to do what Cato does on the floor.
    Anyhow, throwing Yao Ming in during the early season is not the wisest thing to do, considering how he's been playing months on end of basketball.. even he admitted that he was tired prior to the season, it's not something that can be solved on a night's sleep. Yao Ming is smart enough to know that his time will come and that he's supposed to be learning the system right now.

    Let's revisit this topic in about 35 games..
     

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