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How does Mooochie stack up?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Azim da Dream, Sep 7, 2002.

  1. Azim da Dream

    Azim da Dream Member

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    With this off-season almost 2 months old and still about a month away from dieing, why not spend some discussing our favourite chia pet - er backup point guard?

    Moochie has been an erratic yet capable back up for our Franchise, and after a breakthrough inaugural season with the Rockets where his play and hairstyle alike were the topic of discussion, his reputation among the Rockets fan base took a little hit last season when people began to realize his defficiencies (ie. severe case of dribble-itis). Despite that realization, I personally believe the Rocks are fortunate to have a M.N to back up our best player, as Afro-man came up big at numerous times with Steve missing so many games last season.

    So, my question is, where does Moochie rank up with all the other back-up PG's in the NBA? I would say top 10 without a hesitation, and maybe even top 5 on a good hair day. That might be pushing it but when he's on Mooch is pretty darn good. He's no Van Exel, Kenny Anderson or Bobby Jackson, but he can hold his own in the next tier with the likes of McInnis, Childs and Speedy Claxton, IMHO.

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  2. Deckard

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    I'm hoping last season was a huge dose of cold water in Mooch's face. He must have a much keener appreciation for Steve's talent, what it means to the team, and what the Moocher's role is. He would have to be brain-dead not to have heard the ton of criticism of his dribblin' ways. Assuming Steve's health problems are in abeyance for the season, a bunch of the pressure on Moochie's back will be off, and he'll be more effective.

    I see an improved Mooch, IMO. Top ten until he proves me wrong. Maybe top five.
     
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  3. Yetti

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    Norris has earned his place on the Rox roster. Now he must prove himself again! This season he needs to come into Camp in tip top condition, last year it took him two months to reach decent condition! The Coaches must state to all Guards, right at the start of Camp, that death has just occured to 'DRIBBLE MANIA'! In the New Era we get back to Team Basketball. Norris was the most flagrant abuser of Dribble Mania, it will have to be enforced, every time he lapses! Otherwise Norris brings character to the Team.
     
  4. RC Cola

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    Yep, he sure does! :D

    I think Moochie will do pretty good this year. I believe he's one of the best backup-pg's. I also think worked this past summer. Didn't he play in that game Kobe played in?
     
  5. kidrock8

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    If he can play 1 second of defense, he's definitely a top 5 backup.

    Moochie is good, but he doesn't give the Rockets what they need, other than his occasional penetration. He'll drive to the goal 2 times a game, but other than that he doesn't do anything else that is beneficial. This just speaks volumes about how little depth there is at PG around the league. Every team is seemingly looking for an adequate PG.

    Moochie is a top 5 backup by default. This is like Owolokandi being a Top 5 center because it's such a weak position.
     
  6. bigboymumu

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    This is a family affair. He brings the intangibles. But he really gets on my nerves when he plays with the ball. Pass or shoot. Don't ruin the flow of the game.
     
  7. fromobile

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    I don't think moochie looked very good last season. He seemed a step quicker the season before. He just ddin't look the same to me, maybe I was expecting too much last season, as compared to season one when I expected nothing.

    Anyone else feel that way?
     
  8. LAfadeaway33

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    He would start on many teams in the NBA. Just look at his numbers when starting. He's easily in the top 3 backups in the league and better than some starters.
     
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    i do. before his contract he could've been a decent starter. last season he's only top 5 backup by default according to kidrock8
     
  10. Pat

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    This may just be typical coach defending his players, but I recall Rudy defending Moochie (perhaps "the guards") for overdribbling, by saying the problem was the teammates not moving. The plays are designed for the guard to hold the ball till "something" triggers the play. Nobody moving without the ball caused the guards to look bad. Not the guards were ball hogs or indecisive.

    It could be true.
     
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    His big fat contract must have weighed him down.:D

    I agree with kidrock8. Moochie doesn't play any defense. He's about all you can expect for a backup PG offensively.
     
  12. saleem

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    Moochie not only needs to cut down his dribbling but also run the fast break like he did in his first year with us. McInnis did better than him last year,Childs and he are about the same when it comes to running the team but Childs is a better shooter and defender. He is better than Claxton.
     
  13. Panda

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    Moooochieee is good, he just likes to play yo yo. I like playing yo yo too but I don't make 4 millions a year doing it:mad:, meanwhile I don't have a fro so life is always fair.
     
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    Moochie is definitely a top 5 backup PG. When we need a clutch shot with the game on the line there is nobody on the team I'd rather take it than the Mooch. :)
     
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    The Mooch is clutch, but the question is will there still be any small lineups at the end of games?
     
  16. kidrock8

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    He put those numbers on a very very bad team. Not all 28 other teams were as bad as the Rockets (when francis was out).

    I think there are 40 PGs who could have matched his stats, when the only viable scoring option was Mobley.

    :rolleyes:
     
  17. ricerocket

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    I think he is in the top 10 at least. Near top 5.

    Put a better offensive center in there, Yao, and he won't have to dribble around to get a forward an open look.

    Rudy needs to teach Steve and Mooch to recognize the zones and not dribble into them so much. They both do it.

    Maybe the over dribbling is part Rudy's fault. Rudy needs to devise plays for an inside out, or foul line post (for Yao), so that it creates the double team down and the pick and roll up top and opens up the game with less dribbling.
     
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    It is possible Nachbar is exactually what our point guards need. From what i hear he is a mover and a shaker. Rice is not a mover, lets start Nachbar and see what he can do to help the team.

    :D :D :D :D :D
     
  19. harumph

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    Depends on how close the game is. If we're down by up to 4 or 5 pts, he would be on the floor (with Cat, Eddie, Ming & Steve), but if we're up he's on the bench
     
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    I think one difference between last year and 2 years ago was that last year Norris went in with the starters a lot. Normally he would only do that in the 3 guard offense. When he goes in with the 2nd team he seems to act more like a proper point guard, and then the opponent's 2nd team is also out there.
    I noticed that Norris seemed to be more positive about Yao Ming than the other guards. If he's a clever NBA journeyman, he knows that he will be on the floor a lot for the next few months with Nachbar and Yao against 2nd string lineups, and he will get a chance to really pad his assist stats.
     

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